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Norfolk / Re: George and Smith families Great Yarmouth
« on: Thursday 22 November 18 18:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello
Thank you so much for your reply...... I wasn't holding out much hope!

There is a1911 census Henry James George 1878-1927 GY, living with his wife Alice (nee Spencer),1846- 1914 living with their children - including Annie, at no.16 Row22 which I believe was on the corner of the Conge, Market Place end.
One of the children is Alice Sarah George(1904-1983) which would be the Aunt Alice you mentioned.

I have an image of Henry James George and his military record which has thrown up a couple of mysteries in itself.
Also, the parents of Alice- William Watts Spencer and Sarah( nee Steward)  seem to have a colourful history including bigamy and running away to Australia!

It was said to discover the fate of Arthur John George particularly as I have been told that he told his mother when he left for war that he knew he would never return.

So, Annie had 7 siblings for which I have information on except for Hilda, she literally disappeared!
Following some nifty detective work and good luck I have met with Thelma Mather( living
In Halvergate, Katie Smith(Ewles) and Pauline Smith both living in Great Yarmouth.

Would be more than happy to share anything else I have with you
Best Wishes


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Wow! Thank you all so much for your prompt replies!

Answers to the questions as I know them:
William Watts Spencer is not listed as deceased on marriage certificate of Alice
No trace of Sarah in census
1901 and 1911 census for Alice and Henry George in  Gt Yarmouth, Sarah not with them
Watts was surname of mother several generations previous
Residential address on birth certificate of Alice is Rainbow Square- lovely name but was a slum area!
Birth registered on 29th November 1876 by mother, Sarah
Witness on marriage certificate is Elizabeth George, sister of groom Henry George. don't know about other witness.

I'll have a look at all the info that's been suggested - I now feel I'm getting somewhere
Thank you


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Hello all, a newbie here hoping for help! Thank you in advance if anyone can.

I have the birth certificate for Alice Kate Mary Ann Spencer born Great Yarmouth 22 October 1876.
Her father was William Watts Spencer, b 1854 Chelsea, house carpenter. His father has same name.
Her mother was Sarah Spencer ( nee Steward, father John farmer). Sarah born 1851 Stokesby Norfolk. They married 5th June 1876, Fulham London.

I have marriage certificate for Alice Kate Spencer, aged 23, to Henry George 1st April 1900 Great Yarmouth.
Her father named as William Watts Spencer, carpenter.
The banns on 26th Feb1900 says Alice was residing in Great Yarmouth with her mother, no mention of father.

I have traced a William Watts Spencer ( carpenter aged 21) emigrating to Australia, Port Adelaide on 29 th July 1876, arriving November 1876. In 1878 he married Grace Ann Gillard in Yongala, Australia.
marriage certificate says he is a bachelor.

There is a Sarah Spencer who died in London 1876, but this can't be her as the banns of her daughter Alice says they are living together in 1900.

Obviously, anything is possible but does anyone else think this is what happened:
William Watts Spencer and Sarah Spencer married June 1876
WWS emigrated July 1876
Sarah returned to Great Yarmouth alone and their daughter Alice was born Oct 1876
WWS married again illegally in Australia 2 years later.

Does this sound feasible..... or am I missing something obvious!

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Norfolk / Re: George and Smith families Great Yarmouth
« on: Monday 12 November 18 17:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
I see your post is from some time ago so you may well have solved your queries by now!
Annie Elizabeth George is the sister of my grandfather Henry Fredrick George.
His daughter, Sylvia, ( my mum) will be 90 soon.
I have traced and spoken to three of Annie's daughters and have a couple of photos.
You were correct about Roney, his actual name was Fredrick George  1909 -1975.
Also, Arthur John George who was killed in WW2 and is buried in Belgium. I have recently received his unclaimed war medals on behalf of my mum.
I have been unable to trace another sister Hilda George b 1910- I don't suppose you have any information on her?
Please let me know if you would like any other info I have.
Thanks

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