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Hi all,

You may find DNA FAMILY SECRETS on BBC 1  iplayer episode 2 interesting for you. A young lady also donor conceived in the uk had help tracing half siblings. I think as far as I can remember there is a database you can put your name to. The programmes are still on iplayer.

Good Luck !!

Thanks so much for the tip.

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This raises an interesting point, as apparently anyone conceived with donor sperm has the right to request non-identifying information from the age of 16 and identifying information from the age of 18. The HFEA will notify the donor before any of his information is released.

So if people start to trace donors through DNA will that bypass that? Would anyone who has been a donor be interested in any children they helped father?

Yes it's interesting but it's a whole separate question that doesn't apply here - those clauses relate to those conceived post-1991. My spouse was conceived in the 1980s, there was no paperwork, no records and no regulation at all. DNA is the only way to find answers. They had no choice in their conception and parents were actively encouraged to forget about the whole thing and told never to tell their children. It's pretty traumatic.

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So, in a twist of fate it turns out that my spouse is also an NPE. We suspect that they were donor conceived (early 1980s). Does anyone with experience of research in this area have any suggestions for contextual resources or research paths? We have done an Ancestry match and we're building trees based one what we do know but there are no very close matches with trees so it's going to take a while to piece together the paternal line.

Does anyone know about where people from the East Midlands of an average income might have gone for fertility treatment at the time? How much did it cost? Would it have been beyond their means?

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Midlothian / Re: MACKIE, Blackburn, West Lothian
« on: Friday 29 January 21 20:44 GMT (UK)  »
Looking at the index on ScotlandsPeople, the following Mackies have the same reference number in Whitburn, West Lothian, in 1911:

William, 40
Margaret, 37
William, 17
Andrew, 13,
Thomas, 11,
Walter, 9,
Jessie, 7,
David, 5.
Thomas, 38

That's fabulous, thank you so much for your help.

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Midlothian / MACKIE, Blackburn, West Lothian
« on: Friday 29 January 21 20:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I am not having much luck tracing WILLIAM MACKIE (1871-1946) and his wife MARGARET NIELSON (1873-1952) in the 1911 census and I'm hoping there might be some clues in there. I believe they married 03/06/1892.

In 1901, they are in Burnfoot, West Calder:

Household Members
William Mackie Age 30
Thomas Malkie [sic] Age 28
Maggie Mackie Age 27
John Neilson Age 21
William Mackie Age 7
Maggie Mackie Age 5
Andrew Mackie Age 3
Thomas Malkie [sic] Age 1

Thank you very much in advance for your kindness and help.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Unexpected parent in baggage area
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 13:56 GMT (UK)  »
I've managed to narrow down one set of great-grandparents which is helpful. Sadly not with the 580 match yet - no tree for them and no common surnames between their matches so it's a bit of a haystack but process of elimination and logic is creating some clues.

One of the things you could try is starting a tree in Ancestry for these great grandparents and building downwards to present day as far as you can, then insert yourself into it at the appropriate level. You can do this by adding a fictional child for the great grandparents and making yourself descend from them. Then if you link this tree to your DNA results, Ancestry should go and find other matches with common ancestors related to these great grandparents. If you get a few more hits from this, then it probably means you're on the right track.

The matches themselves will see this as well but the benefit of making yourself descend from someone fictional is that living people can't be caught unawares at someone mysteriously appearing in their line - although if the 140cM matches are 2nd cousins, they're less likely to be concerned, but you never know.

Do the 140cM matches descend from the same or different offspring of the great grandparents?

Thanks - this is a really good tip - sadly these people are all distantly linked to each other and to make things even more unhelpful one of the lines I've honed in on where I have some 2C / 2C1R relations involves siblings from one family marrying siblings from another family! Gah!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Unexpected parent in baggage area
« on: Monday 25 January 21 09:32 GMT (UK)  »
This happened to my husband. We both did our dna: mine was as expected but his showed lots of cousin matches in the 200-900 cm range, all related to each other but not obviously to him. We also had not a single match searching with his uncommon but not that rare surname. So an NPE was assumed and his sister agreed to test with everyone expecting it to be at grandparents level. Unfortunately, the results showed her to be his half sister. He found this really difficult at first but has come to terms pretty well now. His father is the man who raised him and we don’t know the circumstances of his conception to have any views on it. However, his sister has asked him not to tell his side of the family so as not to shade his mother’s memory for his siblings as she died fairly young. This was difficult as it does seem secretive.

For us it was quite easy, with all the high matches, to work out that his “ father” must be one of three brothers. Strangely, the close matches who had been very keen to work out the link went very quiet once the NPE was found.

As it goes, his genetic ancestry is very close to where we live so in a way it’s a little more interesting- they’re still ag labs  just not the ones we thought they were!!

Good luck with your journey

Jo

Thank you so much. Yes, the discovery that my dear sibling is my half sibling was extremely difficult to swallow, along with the possibility my Dad may have been deceived... Thank you for sharing your experience.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Unexpected parent in baggage area
« on: Monday 25 January 21 09:29 GMT (UK)  »
That is a good book. The Author really struggled with the knowledge he gained from the testing. I see this a lot in the YDNA projects, discoveries that the father people always knew was not biological. Peoples lives are complicated. Decisions are made for reasons we can only guess. Some of us have two fathers, the one that raised us and our biological father. A lot to consider. All good.

Thanks both. It has definitely helped speaking to others with direct experience and reading their testimony. A kind community of people these NPEs are too!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Unexpected parent in baggage area
« on: Monday 25 January 21 09:28 GMT (UK)  »
Your situation is not uncommon. I realize this can be traumatizing for some people. There are several books out that share the stories of discovering your father may not be your father. I have personal experience with this and I am currently involved solving two missing father cases right now (within my extended family). I would be happy to share techniques if you want to pm.

Thank you, that's extremely kind. It's a strange feeling and one I haven't processed yet. Keeping in the "work" of it stops me having to mull over it too much.

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