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Thanks for the census info. I've seen Thomas Tripney and Janet Tassie Donaldson when looking for some birhts but hadn't connected Thomas to John Tripney and Mary Johnston.

The census was actually taken in the Royal Artillery Barracks in Portsmouth.
As it was an institution the relation column is headed position in institution and I think that it has been mistranscribed and should read:

Private Sappers and Miners at present sick patients in hospital

There is something between private and sappers which may just be a capital R(abbreviation for Royal?). His occupation is Royal Sappers and Miners.

Gordon

My g grandparents born between 1882-1902 (20 years)
My gg grandparents born between 1832 and 1883 (51 years)
My ggg grandparents born between 1800 and 1863 (63 years)

Lots of gaps with the gggg grandparents but from the ones I know about around 1765-1837 (around 72 years).

Big gap starts as one gg grandfather being 50 when his wife (16 years his junior) gave birth to my g grandfather born in 1882 and a different gg grandmother, who married at 17, gave birth to my g grandmother at 18 in 1901.

Gordon

And possibly in 1871 again in Finsbury at 22 Paradise Street:

John Patten 37 Head Carman Essex Braintree
Robert Jno Patten 12 Son Scholar Middlesex St Luke's

John in showing up as being widdowed in this census.

Ref: RG10/409 Folio: 42 Pg 34

Gordon

Hi Ann

I've found this site useful for background to coal mining in Lanarkshire:

http://www.mining-villages.co.uk/index.html

It has lists of accidents in the mines and also has some descriptions of the housing provided by the collieries from the 1910 housing report. These give general descriptions such as the number of 1 or 2 roomed houses in a particular street/area and the age of the houses so although its 1910 some of those houses would have been around in the 1880s.

Gordon