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Travelling People / Re: The Oriental Troupe 1868 - 1873 England, Ireland and France
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 09:35 GMT (UK)  »
It seems that Sumjao was Nepalese.

Bombay Gazette of November 9th 1867.



Thank you for both of those things. However now I'm left with more headscratching on where to turn next.

However this is why I love family history, you never know what you will find

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Travelling People / Re: The Oriental Troupe 1868 - 1873 England, Ireland and France
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 07:52 GMT (UK)  »
Sumzao prompted me to think of the Portuguese version of John: João. Maybe they were from Goa?

From the newspaper articles/ads I think they're from Bombay, but I can't really be sure of anything at this stage, besides him being a tightrope walker.

https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0002920/18671109/049/0002

Only article I haven't managed to look at. As no subscriptopn to british newspapers

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Could the father's name be John Purzer Sumzao.  ??? Also, as the couple and I'm assuming bride's father (John Boxall, witness) all signed with their mark how phonetically spelled was the father's name?
Example: Should the name Purzer actually be spelled Pursor or Persor?

On the marriage record it appears the groom's surname was altered from Sumzoo to Sumzao.

The Sumzao side are meant to be Indian acrobats, I've got no idea on the names. I think the John part is made up and the Sumjoo/Sumzao etc are stage names or shortened versions

Elvina was not 18 she was 14 going by my research and had only know her husband for about 3 weeks

Witness Eliza Rose, is Elvina's sister, also married at a young age (16). The witness John Boxall could be the father or a brother

Her father, John Boxall is another story all together. This family is like a pair of wired headphones that have gotten tangled in a pocket



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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Occupation of John
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 11:05 GMT (UK)  »
occupation of the father the part in brackets

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Ok, for those playing along

So I ordered the marriage cert and it finally arrived. It's not the best for reading, but it's also not the worst I've seen.

But it seems we have another spelling for Sumjoo

If anyone can help transcribe John "sumjoo's" fathers name that'd be great

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Travelling People / Re: The Oriental Troupe 1868 - 1873 England, Ireland and France
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 11:23 GMT (UK)  »
It must have been so exciting for the townsfolk.

I'm hoping there's photographs out there somewhere.


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Travelling People / Re: The Oriental Troupe 1868 - 1873 England, Ireland and France
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 09:49 GMT (UK)  »
Have you read this interesting article in a book
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t17/

Yes! the whole family is rather interesting if not frustrating on this side

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Travelling People / Re: The Oriental Troupe 1868 - 1873 England, Ireland and France
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 09:32 GMT (UK)  »
Did he give a father’s name on his marriage?

of all the things to not think of. I'll have to order a marrige cert from GRO as I have not found a copy of the church one

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Travelling People / Re: The Oriental Troupe 1868 - 1873 England, Ireland and France
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 08:59 GMT (UK)  »
1881 census  (transcribed Sumtoo) has Elvinen ( transcribed) as a widow but of course this might not be true.
Cathy
Apologies.. I see this info is on the other thread you found :)

yes I had considered that, but considering Eugene/Jenny wasn't baptised till 1889, father listed as dead anything is possible. He may not have even been dead then. This family is like a pair of wired headphones that have gotten tangled in a pocket

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