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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Elliott Family, Fountain hill,Derry
« on: Thursday 15 February 24 01:47 GMT (UK) »
Now i won't be connected to the Elliott's of Fountain Hill, although my family were/are from Londonderry City.
But just to clarify a couple of things. You have to take information given by Clan Elliot with a pinch of salt. Their take on history is very generic. Its true that there were no Catholic Elliot's along the Scottish Borders around 1600. There hadn't been any for a long time before then, but there was no exile to Ireland.
Ulster in the Plantation by King James I had been given over to Landlords & servitors. A so called 'exile' just couldn't roll up & get a house & a bit of land. There were qualifications for going over.
One was being Protestant & the other British as distinguished by the definition then. English or Scots....Low Land Scots Presbyterians.
Thats the first thing. Second is there were no
Elliot 's listed in the early records for the Militia in Londonderry City or County. So they were not there 1610-40.
There are Elliot's....one T when first over from Scotland, on the 1665 Hearth Tax Rolls. They are identified as Planters. They are there as colonists. All Elliott's in Ireland would probably be. The false stories of having to leave Scotland runs through dozens of families trees. Often found in America after the War of Independence.
The family history suddenly says they had to leave Scotland/Ireland as they were wanted or something similar. It is just later generations trying to distance themselves from the British connection. Think about it logically. Your a Scottish Catholic in the 1600's after Guy Fawkes plot, you'd really head for Ulster? No you wouldn't. Unless you were actually a Scottish Presbyterian then you would go where your people were. Londonderry. There is an Elliot family at Cumber Parish and one at Clondermott Parish, listed as Planters 1665.
Slaughtmanus is in Cumber Parish.
By the start of the 1700's the Scots had been there a long time, 100 years, intermarriage was not uncommon. Presbyterians had largely the same restrictions as Catholics. Around this time you start to see Catholic Elliott families in County Meath & Fermanagh.
As most people who research Ireland know, the families as a rule didn't move too far. Except to go to America or the like. So those Elliott's at Cumber Parish stand a good chance of being connected to you.
Thats the first bit. Second bit is dna. Not the autosomal ancestry dna but the Y paternal line dna. I have tested my Y dna to a high level.
I was placed in the L193+ group for Elliott's. This is referred to as the main Scottish Border Elliot family.....we do not match the majority of Elliott's wherever they are found. There are 512 Elliott Y tested. My closest matches amount to 74, of which maybe 30 are in the centre section of the main group. This means that 30 have a common ancestor any time from about 1450 or sooner. The date the name Elliot is first seen on a written document is about then.
I am in that group of 30. I have two close matches. An old American family emigrated 1750 & a later, now Australian family. We all connect to a common ancestor in Donegal about 1700. In the whole of Ireland there are only 1 other group closely matched to us. From just outside Ballymena. Thats it. There are a handful of more distant Elliott's who will be from pre 1450. Plus quite a few Irish surnames, but also distant.
There are no Ydna matches that match to Clan Elliot i am aware of. Not just mine.
This does not mean any others named Elliott are not Elliott's or do not come from Scotland originally. It just means that there are many different families not connected. No single origin.
It is possible your line were Catholic Elliot's in Scotland but did not go to Ireland until 1700's but were not off the Borders where mine were. But another part.
A Y dna test of one of your line would be good.
Rob Elliott
But just to clarify a couple of things. You have to take information given by Clan Elliot with a pinch of salt. Their take on history is very generic. Its true that there were no Catholic Elliot's along the Scottish Borders around 1600. There hadn't been any for a long time before then, but there was no exile to Ireland.
Ulster in the Plantation by King James I had been given over to Landlords & servitors. A so called 'exile' just couldn't roll up & get a house & a bit of land. There were qualifications for going over.
One was being Protestant & the other British as distinguished by the definition then. English or Scots....Low Land Scots Presbyterians.
Thats the first thing. Second is there were no
Elliot 's listed in the early records for the Militia in Londonderry City or County. So they were not there 1610-40.
There are Elliot's....one T when first over from Scotland, on the 1665 Hearth Tax Rolls. They are identified as Planters. They are there as colonists. All Elliott's in Ireland would probably be. The false stories of having to leave Scotland runs through dozens of families trees. Often found in America after the War of Independence.
The family history suddenly says they had to leave Scotland/Ireland as they were wanted or something similar. It is just later generations trying to distance themselves from the British connection. Think about it logically. Your a Scottish Catholic in the 1600's after Guy Fawkes plot, you'd really head for Ulster? No you wouldn't. Unless you were actually a Scottish Presbyterian then you would go where your people were. Londonderry. There is an Elliot family at Cumber Parish and one at Clondermott Parish, listed as Planters 1665.
Slaughtmanus is in Cumber Parish.
By the start of the 1700's the Scots had been there a long time, 100 years, intermarriage was not uncommon. Presbyterians had largely the same restrictions as Catholics. Around this time you start to see Catholic Elliott families in County Meath & Fermanagh.
As most people who research Ireland know, the families as a rule didn't move too far. Except to go to America or the like. So those Elliott's at Cumber Parish stand a good chance of being connected to you.
Thats the first bit. Second bit is dna. Not the autosomal ancestry dna but the Y paternal line dna. I have tested my Y dna to a high level.
I was placed in the L193+ group for Elliott's. This is referred to as the main Scottish Border Elliot family.....we do not match the majority of Elliott's wherever they are found. There are 512 Elliott Y tested. My closest matches amount to 74, of which maybe 30 are in the centre section of the main group. This means that 30 have a common ancestor any time from about 1450 or sooner. The date the name Elliot is first seen on a written document is about then.
I am in that group of 30. I have two close matches. An old American family emigrated 1750 & a later, now Australian family. We all connect to a common ancestor in Donegal about 1700. In the whole of Ireland there are only 1 other group closely matched to us. From just outside Ballymena. Thats it. There are a handful of more distant Elliott's who will be from pre 1450. Plus quite a few Irish surnames, but also distant.
There are no Ydna matches that match to Clan Elliot i am aware of. Not just mine.
This does not mean any others named Elliott are not Elliott's or do not come from Scotland originally. It just means that there are many different families not connected. No single origin.
It is possible your line were Catholic Elliot's in Scotland but did not go to Ireland until 1700's but were not off the Borders where mine were. But another part.
A Y dna test of one of your line would be good.
Rob Elliott