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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Wednesday 09 December 20 03:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sue,
That's perfectly ok.
Peg
That's perfectly ok.
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Wednesday 09 December 20 02:40 GMT (UK) »
Sue and JM,
It is absolutely amazing and there are smiles all around here with 4 new cousins now knowing where they fit
Thank you doesn't seem enough
I was looking for George Rome from Burnie last night.....
Strangely, the name Horne popped up, seemingly a more common name than Rome.
Rome/Horne.......
Horne??
Could this be the father's name that's written on the birth document for Ellen Amy?
Looking at the handwriting it could easily be Horne.....
I'm sorry but I can't get to that reply to quote it....
Peg
It is absolutely amazing and there are smiles all around here with 4 new cousins now knowing where they fit
Thank you doesn't seem enough
I was looking for George Rome from Burnie last night.....
Strangely, the name Horne popped up, seemingly a more common name than Rome.
Rome/Horne.......
Horne??
Could this be the father's name that's written on the birth document for Ellen Amy?
Looking at the handwriting it could easily be Horne.....
I'm sorry but I can't get to that reply to quote it....
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Tuesday 08 December 20 08:37 GMT (UK) »
All I can say is WOW!
And the biggest thankyou to everyone who has contributed to helping solve the mystery of who Alma was and wasn't!
This has been an amazing journey since March this year when my father died.
Amongst his personal effects we found some very basic hand written notes that he'd been given by his sister many years ago.
In the notes I found for the first time, the name of my Great Grandfather......James Ralph Matthews and his wife Lillian (nee Tiffen).
I grew up only knowing my father's 2 siblings and their kids (my 9 cousins) and his parents, my Nan and Pop.
I knew of no one else. And no one talked about anyone else.
After my father died, my first hint of other family was a 1909 school photograph of Ridgley School, Tasmania, with 3 Matthews children, Walter Clem my grandfather being one of them and his sisters Violet and Nellie.
In my search to find more about James Ralph and Lillian, I came upon a search for the same couple that had been in cyberspace for 20 years!
Through this I met my new cousin Mandy, Granddaughter of Violet, who was looking for her Great Grandparents parents all those years ago.
I felt like I'd gained another sister.
We then found that we matched via DNA to 2 other cousins. And connecting with them was like finding another 2 sisters. They are the Grandaughters of Amy Ellen.
And while we were trying to figure out how these 2 new cousins were connected to our family, we found another 2, which were twins. They were searching for their paternal birth family.
So while we all connected privately and tried to figure out how we all fitted together, and the search for 'Alma' was taking place, we had worked out how the twins fitted into our family.
They were descended from another of James and Lillian's children.
So tonight we are all a bit overjoyed and very much overwhelmed at the legacy that James and Lillian have left us.....
And very grateful to you all,
Thank you to everyone on behalf of us all,
Peg
And the biggest thankyou to everyone who has contributed to helping solve the mystery of who Alma was and wasn't!
This has been an amazing journey since March this year when my father died.
Amongst his personal effects we found some very basic hand written notes that he'd been given by his sister many years ago.
In the notes I found for the first time, the name of my Great Grandfather......James Ralph Matthews and his wife Lillian (nee Tiffen).
I grew up only knowing my father's 2 siblings and their kids (my 9 cousins) and his parents, my Nan and Pop.
I knew of no one else. And no one talked about anyone else.
After my father died, my first hint of other family was a 1909 school photograph of Ridgley School, Tasmania, with 3 Matthews children, Walter Clem my grandfather being one of them and his sisters Violet and Nellie.
In my search to find more about James Ralph and Lillian, I came upon a search for the same couple that had been in cyberspace for 20 years!
Through this I met my new cousin Mandy, Granddaughter of Violet, who was looking for her Great Grandparents parents all those years ago.
I felt like I'd gained another sister.
We then found that we matched via DNA to 2 other cousins. And connecting with them was like finding another 2 sisters. They are the Grandaughters of Amy Ellen.
And while we were trying to figure out how these 2 new cousins were connected to our family, we found another 2, which were twins. They were searching for their paternal birth family.
So while we all connected privately and tried to figure out how we all fitted together, and the search for 'Alma' was taking place, we had worked out how the twins fitted into our family.
They were descended from another of James and Lillian's children.
So tonight we are all a bit overjoyed and very much overwhelmed at the legacy that James and Lillian have left us.....
And very grateful to you all,
Thank you to everyone on behalf of us all,
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Tuesday 08 December 20 00:36 GMT (UK) »ROME Ellen Amy
Father George Mother Ivy MATTHEWS
At Carlton 1918 Reg#1368
MATTHEWS John Walter
Father Not named Mother Emma Ivy MATTHEWS
At Carlton 1919 Reg#17512
I don't see a birth for a Raymond John in 1919.
Birth Cert attached for Ellen Amy ROME born 17 Jan 1918 at Carlton.
Cando,
Please accept my sincere apology.
Things moved on very quickly from there and I think my focus was actually on the thought that Ivy Lily could have been the mother and trying to process her as that, and there not actually being an Alma......
And also the Rome fella was a distraction.
I'm very grateful to you for producing the certificate and I'm very sorry to not have acknowledged your contribution at that time.
Actually, it has just sunk in at this very minute, that that is a confirmation of Amy Ellen's parentage.
Thankyou for jolting me (Sometimes my family just look at me for ages, waiting for a response while my brain tries to process things)
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Sunday 06 December 20 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Sue,
L is Ivy Lily, known as Lily.
D is Mary Ann Dorothy Louisa known as Dorothy.
They are the siblings of baby Kenneth Basil Matthews, youngest child of James Ralph Matthews and Lillian.
Just as a little piece of interest regarding Lillian being aged 45 when Kenneth was born......
My youngest child was born when I was 46!
Peg
L is Ivy Lily, known as Lily.
D is Mary Ann Dorothy Louisa known as Dorothy.
They are the siblings of baby Kenneth Basil Matthews, youngest child of James Ralph Matthews and Lillian.
Just as a little piece of interest regarding Lillian being aged 45 when Kenneth was born......
My youngest child was born when I was 46!
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Sunday 06 December 20 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Interestingly, at that same address, I found a birth record for another child who died very young...(about 5 months)
MATTHEWS Basil Ken
Birth 19 Mar 1915
At Mrs Treweeks, Mount St. Burnie
Reg. Year 1915
Reg No.1960
James Ralph Matthews
Lillian Matthews nee.Tiffen
Peg
According to my calculations of Lillian nee TIFFEN's age in 1915, she was at least 45 years.
I would be thinking this is another grandchild of theirs registered in their names as parents.
Sue
Sue,
Here is a family notice re. Kenneth Basil Matthews in the North Eastern Advocate and Emu Bay Times dated 18 Aug 1916
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/64596416?searchTerm=Kenneth%20Basil%20Matthews%20Kenneth%20Basil
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Sunday 06 December 20 05:35 GMT (UK) »
Sue,
I searched for Mr Rome last night without success and even considered that it may have been
Mr Rowe? No joy with that one either.
What Mandy and I found interesting at one stage was with the Electoral Rolls of Tas
(I'm trying to find my notes on this one)
Was that Ivy Lily and Alick Ivory were living at different locations for a period of time in the marriage, which we thought was strange. They were both around Burnie, Tas but I can't recall the exact details......I will look for them
Peg
I searched for Mr Rome last night without success and even considered that it may have been
Mr Rowe? No joy with that one either.
What Mandy and I found interesting at one stage was with the Electoral Rolls of Tas
(I'm trying to find my notes on this one)
Was that Ivy Lily and Alick Ivory were living at different locations for a period of time in the marriage, which we thought was strange. They were both around Burnie, Tas but I can't recall the exact details......I will look for them
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Sunday 06 December 20 05:26 GMT (UK) »
Yes, both Reg b.1920 and Tyrell b.1922 were children of Ivy Lily Ivory (known as Lily) and Alick Ivory.
The Ivory family are Tasmanian based in the north of the state.
According to Alex (Alick) Ivory's Australian Imperial Forces Enlistment papers dated 24 Aug 1914,
his father is;
John Ivory of Wilmot, Tasmania
Peg
The Ivory family are Tasmanian based in the north of the state.
According to Alex (Alick) Ivory's Australian Imperial Forces Enlistment papers dated 24 Aug 1914,
his father is;
John Ivory of Wilmot, Tasmania
Peg
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Australia / Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« on: Sunday 06 December 20 05:18 GMT (UK) »
Mandy and I searched for a long time online for evidence of Dorrie's birth as we suspected she may have been the child of one of James Ralph Matthews daughters or possibly the sons.
Sorry, there is just one more piece of information for Dorothy Ellen Matthews birth that was included with that.....
'At Mrs TREWEEKS, Mount Street, Burnie.
Interestingly, at that same address, I found a birth record for another child who died very young...(about 5 months)
MATTHEWS Basil Ken
Birth 19 Mar 1915
At Mrs Treweeks, Mount St. Burnie
Reg. Year 1915
Reg No.1960
James Ralph Matthews
Lillian Matthews nee.Tiffen
The information I've given was what I found from the Hobart Library resource online inside the library building. They provide access to the Pioneer and Federation Indexes and it's limited to searching on their own computers in the library itself.
There is access to the Names Index through the family history portal through Tas Libraries online remotely. But nothing could be found on there, but it is a very handy resource.
(For reference if anyone is interested;)
https://www.libraries.tas.gov.au/how-to/Pages/Names-Index-content.aspx
Peg
Sorry, there is just one more piece of information for Dorothy Ellen Matthews birth that was included with that.....
'At Mrs TREWEEKS, Mount Street, Burnie.
Interestingly, at that same address, I found a birth record for another child who died very young...(about 5 months)
MATTHEWS Basil Ken
Birth 19 Mar 1915
At Mrs Treweeks, Mount St. Burnie
Reg. Year 1915
Reg No.1960
James Ralph Matthews
Lillian Matthews nee.Tiffen
The information I've given was what I found from the Hobart Library resource online inside the library building. They provide access to the Pioneer and Federation Indexes and it's limited to searching on their own computers in the library itself.
There is access to the Names Index through the family history portal through Tas Libraries online remotely. But nothing could be found on there, but it is a very handy resource.
(For reference if anyone is interested;)
https://www.libraries.tas.gov.au/how-to/Pages/Names-Index-content.aspx
Peg