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Thank you for the new information, Turquois,

as promised, your direct lineage of the matriarch of this family.
Elizabeth Cross, the daughter of Peter Cross and Elizabeth Burnham, Peter Cross chr. 13 Nov 1739 in Woodbridge the son of Peter Cross chr. 25 May 1710 Walton, Suffolk, the son of Edmond Crosse b. 3 Sep 1678 Woodbridge, the son of Peter Cross(e) b. 18 Aug 1678 of Woodbridge, son of Edmond Cross(e) b. circa 1600-1620 of Woodbridge, Suffolk, England

Peter "Sr." m. Mary Wilkenson
Edmond m. Mary Freeman
Peter (the father of Edmond) m. 1st Joanne/Johannah maiden name unknown
Edmond (the father of Peter who m. Joanne/Johannah) m. Sarah, maiden name said to be Hinde, but haven't found proof of that.
Edmond who m. Sarah-their parents are not yet known to me.

Peter and some of his siblings were baptised in the Church of England but the family was marked as dissenters. in 1655, Edmond removed his family from the Church of England and joined the Quaker faith.

Edmond Cross and Mary Freeman had 6 children. their 2nd child, Edmund, is my ancestor. he removed to Colchester and m. Hannah Hawkins at Colchester meeting. his brother, Peter, who was the 5th child, is your ancestor. Peter remained in Woodbridge, marrying Mary Wilkenson there, and their apparently sole surviving child, Peter, Jr., later removed to Colchester where he rejoined the faith.

all the known collateral lines can be found here (it's too big to post here, yet is incomplete);
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=necko&id=I3002

my ancestry from my grandmother back-Ruth E. Cross>James F. Cross>William H. Cross>Joseph Cross, Jr.>Joseph Cross, Sr>Edmund Cross the younger>Edmond Cross>Peter Cross(e)>Edmond Cross(e) the earliest know ancestor.

there is a plethora of Edmond's and Peters in the tree, particularly prior to 1837, that can muddle and befuddle the mind unless one is looking at the paperwork and has a good fundamental knowledge of the family. trying to sort them out in my head can bring on a mental shutdown!

I have since succeeded in discovering the Bland family and extending them quite a bit. if anyone recognises them or their descendants on this list, please contact me, I have much to share on the matriarchal lineage.

1 Henry BLAND poss. the son of Henry Bland and Hannah Walton
  + Elizabeth CROSS b: 13 May 1764 d: 18 May 1809 dau of Peter Cross & Eliz. Burnham
    2 Elizabeth BLAND b: 17 Sep 1788
      + John COOPER
        3 Emma Elizabeth COOPER b: 1814 c: 17 Oct 1814 d: 1882
          + Alfred Gustavus MAYO b: 1805 d: 1856
            4 Emma Sarah MAYO b: 1836 d: 11 Oct 1891
              + Joseph George WIXLEY b: 1834 d: 1861
                5 Josephine Emma WIXLEY b: 1860 d: 1903
                  + William Samuel OLIVER b: 1853 d: 1897
                    6 Ethel Josephine V. OLIVER b: 1878
                      + George Reston MALLOCH b: 1877
                    6 Lionel Alwyne Wixley OLIVER b: 1880
                    6 Harold Compton Wixley OLIVER b: 25 Jan 1882 d: 25 Jul 1888
            4 Victoria MAYO b: 1838 d: 1900
              + William Henry BERRY d: BEF 1871
                5 Henry Gustavus BERRY b: 1871 d: 1931
                  + Josephine Eleanor SHACKLETON b: 1870 d: 1895
                    6 Henry Gustavus N BERRY b: 1895
            4 Caroline MAYO b: 27 Apr 1840 c: 26 Jun 1840 d: 1911
              + Spencer Smith TIFFIN b: 1841 d: 1879
                5 Arthur Joseph TIFFIN b: 1 Aug 1867 c: 17 Aug 1867 d: 1913
                  + Eliza Page LAWRENCE b: 1865
                    6 Spencer Arthur L TIFFIN b: 1889
                    6 Josephine Augusta V TIFFIN b: 1891
                    6 Joseph Arthur TIFFIN b: 1893
                    6 Daisy Amelia TIFFIN b: 1895
                    6 John Spencer S TIFFIN b: 1898
                    6 Stuart Charles TIFFIN b: 1899
            4 Frances MAYO b: 1843
            4 Alice MAYO b: 12 Feb 1844 c: 14 Mar 1847
            4 Alfred Valentine MAYO b: 1847 c: 14 Mar 1847 d: 1898
              + Harriett Louisa GATES b: 1847 d: 1887
                5 Florence Louise MAYO b: 21 Sep 1872
                  + Joseph William KIRK b: 15 Dec 1870
                    6 Violet Irene Rosa KIRK b: 15 Apr 1898 d: 1951
                      + Albion Percy SMITH b: 16 Jan 1890 d: 1977
                        7 Iris Josephine SMITH b: 4 Jul 1922
                          + Kenneth Royston DAVIS b: 1919 d: 1988
                            8 Living DAVIS
                              + Living CHESHIRE
                                9 Living DAVIS
                                9 Living DAVIS
                            8 Living DAVIS
                              + Living VINER
                                9 Living DAVIS
                                9 Living DAVIS
                                9 Living DAVIS
                            8 Living DAVIS
                              + Living ROONEY
                          + Edward LOOSEMORE
                5 Alfred Gustavus MAYO b: 1873
                5 Fanny MAYO b: 1877
                  + Stephen Benjamin SMITH b: 1874
                5 Jessie Emma MAYO b: 1880
                  + Fred FREEMAN b: 1866
                5 Stanley Rupert MAYO b: 1881
                5 Charles Trevor MAYO b: 1883
                  + Emily Caroline MARTIN
                    6 Marjorie C MAYO b: 1913
              + Margaret Emily WHEELER d: 1898
        3 John Davis COOPER b: 1817 c: 10 Jun 1817 d: 1897
          + Elizabeth Sarah BENHAM d: 1845
            4 Elizabeth Sarah COOPER b: 1844 d: 1845
          + Martha Maria LEWINGTON b: 21 Aug 1821 d: 1879
            4 Emma Eliza COOPER b: 5 Aug 1846 c: 11 Jan 1863
            4 Martha Maria COOPER b: 1848
            4 John Davis COOPER b: 28 Apr 1849 d: 21 Dec 1913
              + Mary MITCHELL b: 14 May 1859 d: 28 Dec 1891
                5 Elizabeth COOPER b: 1 Jan 1885 d: 1950
                  + Francis William LOWRY b: 7 May 1883 d: 1955
                5 John Thomas COOPER b: 8 Aug 1886 d: 10 Aug 1959
                  + Florence WILSON
                    6 John Thomas COOPER b: 9 Oct 1913 d: Nov 1973
                      + Phoebe Evelyn COOPER
            4 Alfred COOPER b: 7 Nov 1856 c: 11 Jan 1863
            4 Henrietta Mary COOPER b: 25 Feb 1858 c: 11 Jan 1863
          + Annie Eliza BAGWELL b: 1841
        3 George Samuel COOPER c: 22 Oct 1820
    2 Henry BLAND b: 12 May 1790
    2 Mary BLAND b: 7 Nov 1792
      + William PETTITT
    2 William BLAND b: 7 Nov 1792 d: 21 Feb 1793
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if you trace back far enough I was the thread owner, I started it. it has gone exceedingly off track, but I decided not to protest. we all have a need for research help. I started it with a request for information on my Moffitts. I still am requesting information.

I recognise the town names but it's been some time since I focused on that-so it may be female branches of the family with non-Cross names. all of the towns are familiar except Edmonton...but a branch did settle in Edmonton, Canada, lol...
yes, memory just clicked in. Aubrey Cross, son of Aubrey Cross and Mary Church, settled in the Shoreditch area, some of his family went to Australia and I am in contact with one of the branches of his line...some of my branch were also in that area before they left for America...they somehow eluded the census taker in 1841, darn it!
I'll have to get into my old computer and really check my information-I can access it from here but can't use the search tool. I'll get back to you. I don't have your names in my file, but I'm missing a number of branches, perhaps yours is one of them.

these are the Cross's I found, and although none of them are specifically from the towns of interest, they may connect. I've listed those with connections to the specific towns below, they are descendants of the Cross's but without the Cross surname...

Aubrey Cross b. 1796 of Colchester, chr. Sudbury, d. St. Botolph's Aldgate, London
Elizabeth Cross b. 1718 St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey d. St. Clements East
Joseph Cross b. 1732 St. Martin Ongar, Middlesex, d. St. Martin Ongar, London
Joseph Cross b. 1730 St. Martin Ongar, Middlesex d. St. Martin Ongar, Middlesex (infant death)
Joseph Aubrey Cross b. 1807 Colchester, resided Tower Hamlets (to America)  d. Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Margaret Cross b. 1736 St. Martin Ongar, London, d. Norfolk, England
Sarah Crosse b. 1692 Woodbridge, Suffolk, d. Wapping, Middlesex
Edmond Crosse b. 1649 Woodbridge (no surviving offspring) d. Woodbridge, m. 2nd wife in Peel, Middlesex

for those with London ties which did not come up also for a search in Middlesex;

Aubrey Cross b. 1771 b. & d. in Colchester, m. in St. Botolph's w/o Aldersgate, London
Benjamin Cross b. 1708 Woodbridge, drowned under the London bridge as a young man of 16 years of age. deemed an accident.
Edmund Cross b. 1776 Colchester, d. Moorfields, London
John b. 1734 St. Martin Ongar, London, d. Southwark, Surrey
John b. 1733 St. Martin Ongar, London, infant death

I do have descendants of some of these individuals. I wish Edmond Crosse's children had survived.

Spitalfields;
Caroline Mayo
Arthur Joseph Tiffin
Spencer Smith Tiffin

Shoreditch;
no individuals-could have sworn I did, but that's memory for you....

Bethnl Green
same as Shoreditch-oh, they could have been there in the census, but not bmd'd at the places...that will take a different search.

Hackney...not as certain abt this one, though Tower Hamlet's close...hah! ok, do not trust my memory. however, none of the 14 individuals was bmd'd before 1810. the list includes one "married in", 9 very distant Harris cousins, a Lowry, an Oliver, a Richards and a Wixley.

Tottenham;
Richard Camps b. 1758
Margaret Cross b. 1736
John Harris b. 1749
Ann Warner b. 1748

Edmonton;
4, all after 1810. a Harris, two Tiffins, and a Tylor (no a in that last name)

understandably, none of these may fit, so if you send me your individual Cross's, I may connect with them somewhere along the line. they could belong to an earlier branch that I know little or nothing about, and that I have no information of they or their offspring being in Middlesex or London.

please at least let me know your earliest Cross and I'll see what I can find. do you know their faith? most of the early Cross's in my tree were Quaker, but they were just about every faith by the mid 1800's.

hi, Christopher,
we have the city, thanks to that researcher in Massachusetts. James was born in Belfast. but a townland is a smaller section than a city, isn't it? the rest is still unknown. I haven't found a satisfactory site for Irish records and cannot afford the Irish archives fees for records, so I'll continue to muddle along and hope for records to eventually be available some day.