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Australia / Re: TARTAKOVAR family history
« on: Wednesday 03 April 19 16:43 BST (UK)  »
Hello pwh and Martin,

majm gave you the link to the OAKLANDS passenger list a few days ago. Did you both look carefully at it? If not, you should. Human interest bits put flesh on old bones and make familiy histories more than just boring lists of names and dates.

Elizabeth Constable Sutherland met her husband-to-be, Bolton William Robertson, on that voyage.

He's there, in the "cock pit" with the other single adult males including two of Elizabeth's brothers. No matter how the bunks or hammocks were assigned they would have lived closely adjacent to each other for the duration of the voyage, there not being much of an alphabetical gap between their surnames, nor much of a numerical one between their ticket numbers.

Elizabeth was in the "hen cabin" along with the other adult single women, while the parents and younger siblings were in the family quarters. (The shipping companies were very keen on observing "the proprieties": indeed one of the questions to be signed off at the port of disembarkation was of the nature of "Was the segregation properly enforced?")

The people on the OAKLANDS constituted a small village where everyone got to know everyone. That voyage took 98 days - ample time for mutual attraction to bloom between Bolton and Elizabeth - ample time for her parents to observe him and form an opinion. True, he still had to find a job in Australia and accumulate some savings before they could even think of marrying, but the seeds of that 50+-year marriage were sown on the OAKLANDS.

Do either of you have any photos of Elizabeth that you would share? Any diaries or letters in which she refers to visits with her inlaws? Bolton's elder brother had emigrated to Australia a few years earlier and was already married there. Her inlaws are the subject of my interest.

Cheers,
Westoe


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Suffolk / Re: Drowned mariner- how can I find out more?
« on: Wednesday 03 April 19 15:24 BST (UK)  »
Me again, Belfordian,

You wrote:
"What I need is some local knowledge of tides etc"

Have remembered something from many years ago which may be of help - a source for historical tides and other info. Now mind, it is a for-fee service, but not as dear as many.

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EDIT: Seaweed's post below made me realise my error here. Belfordian is concerned with JAMES, not JOHN & ELEANOR.

Another item:
JOHN & ELEANOR is a not-uncommon vessel name. Can you further identify her for me with Official Number (O.N. or O/N), tonnage, master etc? I have some information on one if she is the right one.


Cheers,
Westoe

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Suffolk / Re: Drowned mariner- how can I find out more?
« on: Wednesday 03 April 19 01:34 BST (UK)  »
Hello Belfordian,

It would be a slow slog because you have only an approximate location and no knowledge of weather conditions at the time and local currents.

If I were trying it, I would start with the Shipping News in the newspapers. Take note of all the local shipping casualties for a two-to-four week period bracketing your man's death. Follow all mentions of those shipping casualties by ship name for a month. Note where debris and wreckage are noted as coming ashore. Consult the Ordnance Survey maps and Genuki to determine the likeliest parishes, then consult Bishops's Transcripts or parish records. And Good Luck! to you.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Thank you, Susan. You are very kind. I have printed out her address and will write to her. It's been years since I last handwrote this type of letter, but I expect that the Post Office still sells International Reply Coupons.

The son James B. Robertson was my great-grand-uncle. Astonishing isn't it? To be separated by only 4 generations in over 150 years.

Reading your message has just made my day. Thank you.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Dear All,

Nearly 20 years ago (and several computers ago) I found free online and saved a photo of this gravestone. It didn't survive all the upheavals and changes in technology. Now I cannot find it anywhere on the internet. It is not on the Gravestone Photographic Resource.

RootsChatter hanes teulu has found for me that it was erected in Wooler churchyard in 1857.
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Illustrated Berwick Journal, 12 Sep 1857
WOOLER

"A very neat and chaste monument has lately been erected at Wooler Church Yard, at the place of internment of the Rev.Jame Robertson, late pastor of the first U.P. congregation, Wooler .... Rev. James Robertson, who died 1855 ....."
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Can anyone please take photographs of this gravestone for me?

It is a small obelisk with multiple names on the faces. One of those names was his son James B Robertson died Q3 1869 in Alnwick. From memory, the stonecutter had made a mistake and left the "s" off the son James' forename.

There is no rush for it, but I would very much like to have it again. I can't do it myself because I am a long way away in central Canada.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Thank you hanes teulu. Yes, that sounds like it. I will now try to mark this thread completed and submit a new one asking for a photo if someone will do it.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Dear all,

Nearly 20 years ago (and several computers ago) I found free online and saved a photo of this gravestone. It didn't survive all the upheavals and changes in technology. Now I cannot find it anywhere on the internet and at this date I cannot remember whether it was located in Wooler Cemetery or Alnwick Cemetery. I have checked the Gravestone Photographic Resource.

It was a small obelisk with multiple names on the faces. One of those names was his son James B Robertson died Q3 1869 in Alnwick. From memory, the stonecutter had made a mistake and left the "s" off the son James' forename.

Reverend James Robertson married Q4 1809 at Edlingham to Jane Bolton, eldest daughter of James Bolton of Bewick Folly.

Does anyone reading this have access to transcripts of MI's for those cemeteries so that I can find out where it actually is before putting in another request for a photo?

Any help gratefully received.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Occupation Interests / Re: Merchant Mariner help deciphering record
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 01:12 GMT (UK)  »
Siptree, I have just sent you a PM.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Occupation Interests / Re: Marine engineers, 19th century, second half
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
Not just ship repairing, but ship designing and ship building required marine engineers as well.

Cheers,
Westoe

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