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Cardiganshire / Re: Cardiganshire Marriage Index 1813-1837
« on: Friday 24 April 09 14:58 BST (UK)  »
ooh, also Diocese of St Davids Testator's Wills Index

And I think I have found reference to my GGG grandfather's Will. (Evan Richards, 1848, Lledrod)

What do I do now to get hold of the actual Will? There's no clue on the website. Would it be in the National Library in Aberystwyth?

Cheers
Brian

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Lancashire / Re: 2 DRAKE puzzles (& Suffolk Stray)
« on: Friday 27 July 07 23:57 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gillg on Friday 27 July 07 23:29 BST (UK)
And then there are those mis-transcriptions, as you have discovered..... ::)
Mis-transcribing BEAN for ANDREWS takes some doing though; and farmer instead of shoemaker  :-\
I still have to come back to the fact that she gives her own name as Alethea ANDREWS DRAKE (DRAKE being her first husband), and there are no BEANS at all in the area she claims she was born...
It's a worry as I have half a dozen new found cousins who would not be cousins any more   :'(
Brian

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Lancashire / Re: 2 DRAKE puzzles (& Suffolk Stray)
« on: Friday 27 July 07 22:27 BST (UK)  »
Well the local register copy has arrived:
  • Martha is definitely a mis-transcription by Lancs BMD
  • Samuel BEAN is still given as the father :(
Ah well back to Suffolk to see if there are any BEANs in the Lowestoft area, and work out why Alitha ANDREWS thought he was her father.

If anyone finds a marriage between Robert Heny DRAKE and an Alitha (or Alethea) ANDREWS (or BEAN) i would be VERY interested, I suspect the marriage was in Suffolk, but possibly Liverpool. Robert died before 1841; there's nothing in BMDs so I'm guessing it nay be pre 1837.

Brian

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Lancashire / Re: 2 DRAKE puzzles (& Suffolk Stray)
« on: Thursday 12 July 07 10:36 BST (UK)  »
June, that's very interesting, not so much for the Martha / Alethea problem, but reading the LancashireBMD commentaries I was unaware that there could be so many discrepancies between the local and GRO/ONS copies of both indexes and registers

My suspicion is that Martha is a transcription error by LancsBMD, but the possibility of errors on the ONS register copy certificate leads me to think that there is only one way to resolve this - I'm opening my chequebook now!!

Another good spot there, many thanks
Brian

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Lancashire / Re: 2 DRAKE puzzles (& Suffolk Stray)
« on: Wednesday 11 July 07 18:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the replies Mo & June
The Sophia Harriett problem looks easily explainable, though why at least 3 should pop up all at once is curious! I am trying to get a lead into Alitha's marriage to Robert Henry DRAKE, but looks as though it might predate civil registration. He was a "mariner" so the marriage could have been anywhere from Lowestoft to Liverpool

BEAN as a middle name I guess is possible, but even the people on the Suffolk FHS list admit the name just does not appear in the area around Lowestoft; and there seems no reason for it. You have hit on the other problem - the occupations do not match. The marriage cert says farmer (or just possibly farrier); Samuel ANDREWS (and most of his sons) were shoemakers, consistently from the parish registers through all the relevant censuses.

There's nobody staying with them in any censuses. Yes the name Alitha (or one of its may variants, usually just Alice in the Liverpool censuses  ::) ) is one of the strong pieces of circumstantial evidence that she is the daughter of Samuel ANDREWS and Hannah ALGAR, which would make Alitha ALGAR her aunt. Although the name enjoyed some popularity, it was again uncommon the the Lowestoft area. Alitha's children were called Samuel & Hannah (and she had  brother & sister with those names)!!  And Hannah Jr gave the name Alethea to both her daughters  (how much circumstantial evidence does one need :-\ )

The 1865 death is indeed Alitha. I had not seen the 1877 death, but from the birth of the same name registered in 1875 I suspect that this is the daughter of son Samuel, there is a gap in his offspring  - well spotted  :)
Still hoping it's just an error on the certificate
Regards
Brian

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Lancashire / 2 DRAKE puzzles (& Suffolk Stray)
« on: Tuesday 10 July 07 23:36 BST (UK)  »
First post here.
My gtgtgmother Alitha ANDREWS (b c1813 Barnby, Suffolk) first marriage was to one Robert Henry DRAKE. We do not know when or where. Alitha is alone on the 1841 census in Liverpool and remarried to my gtgtgfather Robert DICKINSON 1 Aug 1842 at St Nicholas, Liverpool. So far so good!

Problem 1: On the marriage cert she gives her name as Alitha ANDREWS DRAKE, (ok, her maiden name + first marriage) but her father as Samuel BEAN (or possibly BEALL) Neither name is found in that area of Suffolk, plus her assumed parents Samuel & Hannah ANDREWS had no previous marriages and are fully documented from marriage to death. Could the marriage cert simply be wrong? Are Banns  or Marriage registers likely to give any details which could be cross-checked?

Problem 2: Robert DRAKE & Alitha had a child, Sophia Harriett DRAKE, who died 22 May 1843 aged 2yr 5months. IGI has 3 records:
IGI has 3 x Sophia Harriett DRAKE:
1 chr 29 Mar 1838 d of Robert Henry Drake & Alethea
2 chr 1 Apr 1838 d of James Drake & Harriett
3 chr 20 Dec 1840 d of James Drake & Elizabeth
There is only 1 Sophia Harriett in the 1838 BMD Index, and none in 1840-1841
The 3rd one must actually be Robert & Alitha's?? Again could the IGI record be wrong & is the birth Register (all three are down as St Peter's Liverpool) likely to give any better info (the IGI records are not of the "member submitted" sort

Phew - hope this is all intelligible. Any ideas greatly appreciated. I've got a huge tree bough dependent on the correct attribution of Alitha's parentage, and this marriage cert raises a big doubt
Thanks all

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