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Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: Prodger Lookup - Overton Parish Flintshire
« on: Tuesday 29 April 14 14:12 BST (UK)  »
Eltel001,
I have a note that Ann Prodger b 2 Feb 1809 married Jan 1829 to Thomas Bobbington. It has been a long time since I looked at this so cannot give you the source without digging. Most of my information came from parish records.

Regards Peter

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Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: Prodger Lookup - Overton Parish Flintshire
« on: Tuesday 29 April 14 13:59 BST (UK)  »
Hello Eltel001

It has been a few years but luckily genealogy is not time sensitive.
We are statistically, likely, related through Joseph Prodger b1777. Joseph is the oldest (maybe) of 7 children born to Phineus Prodger b 1736 d 1814 and Jane Davies B 1731 D 1809 , m Sep 25 1759.

I say Joseph is maybe the oldest as there is a John Prodger b 1779 in Overton that I can not link to anyone in Overton. All Prodger in Overton in the relative time period (27 individuals) are linked to Phineus and Jane except John Prodger b 1779 and his children. John is my GGGF.

Regards Peter

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Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: Prodger Lookup - Overton Parish Flintshire
« on: Thursday 27 December 12 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Janey123.

I have not done any genealogy for quite a while. Let me see if I can explain what I think I know.

I can track my Prodger line, confidently, back to a John Prodger b 21 Aug, 1820 who joined the Welch 23rd Regiment. He was stationed in Carlisle Castle in 1841 (census) and came to Canada and stayed.

I was able to find a John Prodger with christening date 27 Aug 1820 in the Cheshire Bishops Transcripts. Overton, Cheshire, father John Prodger b 1779, Wife Mary. John and Mary Haynes were  married 8 jan 1813. They had 3 children Sarah (1815), John (1820)  and Anne (1823).

28th Dec 1837, George Clarke married Sarah Prodger. George Clarke was a blacksmith. Fathers name John Clarke. Sarah and George had 8 children - John, George, Anne, James, Mary, Thomas, William, Edward.

Now the complication - I found a John Prodger married to a Sarah Haines b 1790 with 2 children Jane b 1805 and Elizabeth b 1807. Sarah Haines died 19 May 1812. I think Sarah Haines and Mary Haynes were sisters and John remarried the sister in 1813.

I can find no father for John Prodger b 1779. There are many Prodgers in Overton area and they are all descendants of Phineus Prodger b 1736 and Jane Davies b 1731. I have connected 7 children to Phineus with the last one born 1777. John b 1779 would be the 8th. Phineous's wife, Jane, would have been 48. Perhaps he was illegitimate.   


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Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: Prodger Lookup - Overton Parish Flintshire
« on: Monday 10 October 11 21:36 BST (UK)  »
Hello Prodge
I missed your post when you originally made it. I sent you a message with contact details.
regards
Peter

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The Common Room / Re: Prodger's Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Thursday 25 November 10 13:51 GMT (UK)  »
Here is a summary of the progress made on this week's search for James Graham's family;

1) reference in McCabes list to a John McKunts is 98% probably John McCance the well known person of the area. This positions the Graham's in eastern Antrim closer to Belfast. Any McCance documentation will get my attention.
2) A deeper dive into the Glenavy web site found the "statistical account or parochial survey of Ireland" 1816. Vol 2 XIII covered Glenavy, Camlin, and Tullyrusk. The appendix included a list of surnames in the area in 1816 and included all 4 names I have connected to James Graham. Graham, Upton, May and Mcannally. (McNally being the spelling in McCabes list)
3) No new information was uncovered at the Familysearch beta search tool but I will check periodically.
4) I spent more time on the PRONI site and in reading about Ireland's history. I am becoming more comfortable with place names and terminology so that I can scan documents faster and more effectively.

There has been progress where prior to this I was at a standstill. For that I am appeciative. Thanks to all who contributed or had a look.  Regards Peter

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The Common Room / Re: Prodger's Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 23 November 10 15:30 GMT (UK)  »
Toni* - I don't have Mary Ann Uptons birth date. I have not found a death record for her. I will try the Family Search beta site again if they have added more info. I am confident James did not come as a child and came from Ireland to Bytown as an adult. Transit through Quebec or Montreal but travelling to Bytown to work on Rideau Canal.
Regards Peter

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The Common Room / Re: Prodger's Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 23 November 10 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Akanex2 - The Griffith site looks very interesting. As you say I will need to confirm which James Graham before using the map.

Toni* - The links to Glenavy  will take some time to digest. I have been through the Glenavy history site but not the Church of the Dwarf link. That will take some careful reading and sifting. Many of the place names and references will have to be sorted out.

I have tried linking the McCabes list James and Hugh in Canada with no luck. This Hugh seems to have dissappeared. Many Irish canal workers died and were buried at the work sites.  Some memorials have been put in place but they are like graves of the unknown soldiers.

I have interpreted Hughs family count in the Mcabes listed as follows;
2 males = himself and brother/cousin James
4 females = wife (not found), james wife Upton, and two sisters in Ireland (two brothers-in-law mentioned)

I do not know when he arrived. The latest would be fall of 1828. He could not be in ByTown in Feburary 1829 unless he arrived the previous fall. There are no immigration records for that time period.  Entrance would be through Quebec or Montreal.

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The Common Room / Re: Prodger's Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 23 November 10 14:34 GMT (UK)  »
That's it. On Hugh's death index, b 1836, it calls her Marion Upton. On Eleanor's baptisim record, b  Dec 1834, it refers to her as Ann. In the death index for Edward, b 1845 it has Mary Ann Wpton (transcript error).

Regards Peter

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The Common Room / Re: Prodger's Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 23 November 10 14:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all, and a big Canadian thank you for helping out. I am just up and need another cup of coffee to help digest your work so far.

James, Edward, Hugh are the early repeating names in the Graham line. Bytown (present day Ottawa) wasn't settled much until rideau canal was built. We believe James Graham came over to work on the canal. He then purchased some farm land nearby which was sold off or transferred to children in pieces over the years. 

I picked up Mary's maiden name (Upton) from a Canadian document. I will have to search for it to as I can't remember what type of document it was. My source recording is not very good. I do not know if he was married when he came or if he married after he arrived. The McCabes list reference to a female in family is assumed to be Mary. There is an Upton farm nearby but they arrived later and are from a very well known family. The father worked for the Russian Tsars and is well documented. If James married into this family it would be well documented.

I will look at what has been suggested and get back to you.

Regards Peter

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