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Australia / Re: CURNOW William - any info after his arrival in Melbourne in Dec 1852
« on: Sunday 03 September 23 04:29 BST (UK)  »
Good point re the  original Constance passenger list - it is a departure manifest. Some lists I have seen have arrival comments  eg disposal of passengers to employers,  deaths etc but I can’t see any comments on this one.   I also can’t find any reports of deaths on the voyage in Trove 

I did find  an advertisement posted in the Argus 4 Jan 1853 addressed to William CURNOW’s son-in-law John THOMAS. Again not proof of arrival .

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Other Countries / CHILE - ODGERS Benjamin and THOMAS Ann (Ana) after Feb 1825
« on: Saturday 02 September 23 04:11 BST (UK)  »
I’m looking for any information on Benjamin ODGERS and his wife Ann  (Ana) THOMAS in Chile after 1825.

I think Benjamin ODGERS might have been a copper miner or smelter. His brother in law Mauris THOMAS worked in the copper industry in Chile  in the late 1820s-40s and in South Australia from 1848.

Benjamin ODGERS married Ann THOMAS on 12 Feb 1825  in Gwennup, Cornwall. Ann’s brother Mauris THOMAS and his wife Mary Ann THOMAS nee PERKINS were witnesses on the marriage licence.

Benjamin and Ann had 3 children born in Chile, Juan, David and Elizabeth.  On David’s death cert his nationality is recorded as English but probably born in Chile.

Juan ODGERS, born, married and died in Chile.
Information from Juan’s death cert (Oct 1887)
Age at death 53 ie born about 1834, nationality Chilean, residence Tongoy, occ herrero - blacksmith? , wife Faustina ALVAREZ, parents Benjamin ODGERS and Ana THOMAS

David ODGERS, probably born in Chile, married and died in Chile.
Information from David’s Chilean death cert  (1894)
Age at death 56 ie born about 1838, nationality English, residence Coquimbo, occ unclear, wife Carmen VALDEBENITO,  parents Benjamin ODGERS and Ana THOMAS

Elizabeth Jane ODGERS, born in Chile, married and died in Australia.
Information from Elizabeth’s marriage cert (Melbourne, Australia 1866)
Age at marriage 25 ie born about 1841, birthplace Chile South America, residence St Kilda Melbourne, husband Alfred COLEMAN, parents Benjamin ODGERS  and Ann THOMAS

Information from Elizabeth’s memorial stone (died Dec 1919)
Elizabeth COLEMAN, age at death 80 ie born about 1839, death place Glen Innes NSW Aust


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Australia / Re: CURNOW William - any info after his arrival in Melbourne in Dec 1852
« on: Friday 01 September 23 11:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks shume and Dundee

Given the so aptly described “Bermuda Triangle” conditions on the goldfields, and no trace of William CURNOW in the civil death records in Vic or SA, my hunch is that he died in Bendigo before the rest of the family moved to SA about 1860.  The death of his son-in-law John THOMAS in Jul 1857 in Bendigo is well documented so it is more likely that William died  earlier than that, ie 4 Jan 1853 - Jul 1857

According to the  1841 and 1851 English census returns William  CURNOW was a shoemaker / cordwainer. I wonder if he worked in that trade on the goldfields

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Australia / Re: CURNOW William - any info after his arrival in Melbourne in Dec 1852
« on: Wednesday 30 August 23 07:22 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your tips shume! I have finally found that transcript of Hannah’s death cert (26 Nov 1870) stating that  she was a widow and that her husband William CURNOW was deceased.

So now I know that he died some time 4 Jan 1853 - 26 Nov 1870. On 4 Jan 1853  William CURNOW posted an ad in The Argus (Melbourne) for the attention of John THOMAS of Illogan Cornwall.

I presume William died in Victoria before about 1860 or in South Australia from about 1861.

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Australia / Re: CURNOW William - any info after his arrival in Melbourne in Dec 1852
« on: Wednesday 30 August 23 02:27 BST (UK)  »
John THOMAS travelled to Australia a few years before his wife, children and CURNOW in-laws. He arrived in Adelaide on the Success in Jan 1848 with his 2 brothers Mauris and Nicholas and some other family members.

You’re correct that Ann and her 4 children moved to South Australia after her husband John died. Her youngest child Rosena/Rosina is buried in Strathalbyn cemetery (31 Aug 1862). I don’t know when Hannah CURNOW nee DAVEY moved there. She is also buried at Strathalbyn.

I am trying to navigate SA bdm. I can’t find  William CURNOW on that site. Have you found death entry for him?


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Thanks everyone.
All five members of the CURNOW/ THOMAS family on the 1852 Constance passenger list were living in Illogan Cornwall on the the night of the 1851 census ( 30 March 1851)
On that census return they are all recorded as being born in Cornwall.

I have no idea why they are recorded as Irish on the passenger list. All I can suggest is that William’s ancestors were from Ireland. It is common today for people to identify with the  geographic location or ethnic group of their forebears. It is possible that William was doing just that.

And now back to my query - what happened to William CURNOW after 1852?


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Australia / CURNOW William - any info after his arrival in Melbourne in Dec 1852
« on: Sunday 13 August 23 10:00 BST (UK)  »

I’m looking for any information on William CURNOW after he arrived in Melbourne on the Constance Dec 1852.
He travelled with his wife Hannah, daughter Ann Lee and his grandsons John and Joseph. All the family used  the surname CURNOW, even thought Ann’s married name was THOMAS.
On the passenger list William is aged 64.

I can’t find him after he arrived in Australia.
I know that William’s daughter Ann Lee THOMAS went straight to the goldfields in Bendigo with her husband John THOMAS. John died there in 1857.
Ann and her children then moved to Strathalbyn South Australia. (Members of her husband’s THOMAS family lived in the district.)
Ann’s mother Hannah CURNOW also moved to Strathalbyn and was buried in the cemetery there in 1870.

That’s all I have. I don’t know if William CURNOW accompanied the family to Bendigo or South Australia. I can’t find a death record or other documents for him in either state.

Before his arrival in 1852: William CURNOW  married Hannah DAVY/DAVEY in Illogan Cornwall in 1813. In the 1851 England census he was living with his wife in Illogan.



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Ayrshire / Re: Place name in Colmonell Ayrshire - looks like Laglartry
« on: Monday 07 August 23 12:09 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much. I particularly like the description of the farm. I’m assuming that my PARKERs were farm labourers there. You’ve also alerted me to some new online sources which is great.

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Ayrshire / Place name in Colmonell Ayrshire - looks like Laglartry
« on: Monday 07 August 23 08:57 BST (UK)  »

Here are two images from Colonell baptism register 1778 and 1780. I can’t work out the place name in the entries. It looks like Laglartry, but I can’t find that on any maps. I’m hoping someone with local knowledge will know where this place is.

The parents Gavin and Sarah were agricultural labourers so it might be the name of a farm.


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