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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Wednesday 09 February 11 15:35 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Amy,

Unfortunately my William Thomson was born in 1852 and was in Perth prison for the 1881 census. I know he wasn't there in either 1871 or 1891 because I have his census records for those years too.  Accordingly to a very old family rumour (unsubstantiated) he was there for stealing sheep.

I find the National Archive website almost impenetrable and have wandered about it without success. It is Byzantine in it's complexity.

Regards,

Peter Bolton alias Jessie Thomson

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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Wednesday 18 February 09 16:12 GMT (UK)  »
Dear flst,

Thanks very much for that information. I'll give them a try.

Jessie Thomson

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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Wednesday 18 February 09 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
Serious crimes were tried in the High Court of Justiciary, and these records still exist, except that most often you only get the name of the panel (accused), the alleged crime, the name of the judge, sometimes the names of the witnesses, the where and the when, and the verdict; but no detailed record of the trial, i.e. the evidence of and cross examination of the witnesses.

However, it's near certain that there will be a near verbatim report in a newspaper somewhere, depending on where the crime was committed, and where the High  Court was sitting.  The index to these in on-line.

On top of that, all the productions, i.e. interviews with those involved, maps, digrams, descriptions, etc., in the runup to the trial, is still there in Edinburgh at West Register House, and can make fascinating reading, but you need to visit WRH.

Lesser crimes, for the era in this thread, were tried in the Sheriff Court.  Sadly, with very few exceptions, kept as an example of the records, the Sheriff Court records have not been kept.

ibi

I'd like to access the newspaper on-line index if you could point me in the right direction. William Thomson, the prisoner, was an inmate in 1881 and came from rural Aberdeenshire so the records would be in "The Aberdeen Journal". I guess he was a lesser criminal belonging in the Sheriff Court record arena - even with the help of "black cat" nothing could be found. However an on-line newspaper index could prove to be very fruitful.

Many thanks - Jessie Thomson

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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Friday 23 January 09 12:18 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Janice & Lass,

Keep uo with the encouragement for me - I seem to have hit a brick wall with William Thomson.
I'll take up your offer of looking up some details next time in Edinburgh - I'm over a hundred miles north so it's a huge trek to get there to find it either closed or the information not available because I haven't accessed the background correctly.
Further leads in accessing the seemingly labyrinthine website gratefully accepted.
Jessie Thomson

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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Thursday 22 January 09 19:36 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. I've got a bit further but the NAS website is not the greatest for even intuitive thinking. Had a look at the results thrown up by NAS but there did not appear to be anything that could lead me further - but I am inexperienced!
I thought that a crime warranting imprisonment was fairly serious and perhaps unusual for a relatively remote rural area. I know that William Thomson was at home in July 1876 because he has signed his grandfather's death certificate.
In 1881 he was no longer at home according to the Census but in jail in Perth.
He was back at Wardhead, Coull, the family home in 1891 according to the census.
Despite putting in a large date range on the NAS website I don't seem to have had much success.

Clearly I am going wrong somewhere........ any further hints?
Much obliged for the help so far though.

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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Thursday 22 January 09 13:21 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry about the previous quote - I am new to the system and made a codswallop of it.

I have an antecedent William Thomson who was in Perth prison in 1881 according to Ancestry. He was born in 1852 in Coull Aberdeenshire so was aged 29 when in prison. I don't know when he went "inside" or what for, or the length of is sentence. He was however out in 1891 and back at Coull. Why would he be in Perth prison and not Aberdeen? Was it perhaps the seriousness of his crime?

I too have had terrible trouble trying to access the national Archive but it would appear that hume24 and Lass have done quite well so if there is anyone who could help I would really appreciate the assistance.

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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Thursday 22 January 09 12:26 GMT (UK)  »
Hi again, :)

Only found two records for a William Crumley. However, he's a lot younger than your William (born c. 1844) and this one was found not guilty. The reference numbers for his records are AD14/71/16 and JC26/1871/19. Other info included is that he was a tinsmith. :-\

hume24

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