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Norfolk Completed Look up Requests / Re: 1851 Census Norwich
« on: Thursday 26 May 11 16:39 BST (UK)  »
That's one small step towards clarification, two distinct pairs of Samuel and Charlotte Knights.  No obvious sign of a marriage for "our" Samuel and Charlotte.
On the other hand it increases the likelihood that Samuel and Emily are siblings with Lydia Knights, nee Palmer as the mother.  The biological father is another matter: if Stephen Francis Bloom was Samuel's real father it begs the question of the Stephen Knights who is named as the father of Emily Knight's daughter Emily, baptised 1848.
If we are to believe the records Emily Knights of Hoxne was a spinster when her daughter Martha was born on 2 Jan 1837 (St Martin at Palace, bap 27 Feb 1837); her son Charles was the son of William Knights (at his first marriage) and had no father (second marriage); her daughter Emily had Stephen Knights for a father (bap 6 June 1847, St George Colegate); she died as the widow of John Knights (death cert) and was buried as an unmarried woman (cemetery register).  Either there were 5 different Emilys, with only one visible in any census year, or the records are less than accurate.
To add another worm to the can - when Francis Stephen Bloom was baptised on 27 Apr 1828 his parents were named as Stephen and Lydia, late Francis, spinster.  Her father was Francis Palmer, so presumably there was some confusion when someone asked her for his name.
The possible permutations are numerous - can only keep an open mind and carry on looking for more data.

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Norfolk Completed Look up Requests / Re: 1851 Census Norwich
« on: Wednesday 27 April 11 13:56 BST (UK)  »
I don't know about a brick wall, it's more like a heap of rubble.

A couple of things I've come across:

The marriage of Samuel Knights (soon to be Bloom) and Mary Pawsey was in the 3rd quarter of 1862 in the Stow district according to FreeBMD.  Mary Ann's surname appears as Parsey.

And I found another child of Emily Knights (assuming she's the same one) - Martha born 2 Jan 1837, baptised 15 Jan 1837 at St Martin at Palace and buried 27 Feb 1837.  The mother is a spinster.

I hate to add another possible surname to the mixture, but Samuel Knight/Bloom from Hoxne appears as Samuel Cooper Knights at his first marriage.

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Norfolk Completed Look up Requests / Re: 1851 Census Norwich
« on: Tuesday 26 April 11 20:38 BST (UK)  »
I shall have to lie down in a darkened room before I get to the bottom of this, but as far as I can see the children of Samuel and Mary Ann Pawsey appear in the censuses as Bloom but are in the FreeBMD birth index as Knights.
Incidentally I make Samuel's birth in Hoxne as around 1816 rather than 1826 according to the census entries.

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Scottish 1911 census
« on: Wednesday 06 April 11 07:32 BST (UK)  »
Apologies. Next page of course - I can only blame census fatigue.

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Scottish 1911 census
« on: Tuesday 05 April 11 20:40 BST (UK)  »
If you go back to the page with your ancestor (it should be on your Viewed Images list) you can then click on the "View Page Before" button. It will cost you another 5 credits.

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The Common Room / Re: Fornication and baptism
« on: Thursday 31 March 11 09:24 BST (UK)  »
Those of you who have done Scottish research will already know this, but n the "old days" in Scotland, the Kirk Elders would compear "fornicators" to appear before the Kirk Session to be charged with the sin of ante-nupital fornication. 
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Every now and again I get an email from him asking if I have any more spicey Kirk Session Records to send him.  LOL


A few years ago I came across a case in the Tillicoultry Kirk Session, unrelated to my wife's ancestors (for once), so I only read it out of prurience and didn't take notes.  A couple were accused of fornication and the girl's sister was called as a witness.  She knew the man visited but was not sure whether "guilt was committed" in spite of the fact that they were all in the same bed at the time.

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The Common Room / Re: Marriage between 1st cousins
« on: Saturday 26 March 11 07:42 GMT (UK)  »
Victoria and Albert were first cousins.

So were Charles Darwin and his wife.  Cousin marriage had actually become more common among the upper classes at this time and Darwin was worried by the emerging evidence that it could intensify disadvantageous characteristics, though of course it could do the same for advantageous ones as well.

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The Common Room / Re: Banns before marriage
« on: Sunday 10 October 10 15:57 BST (UK)  »
I think it could depend on the flexibility of the individual clergyman.  My 3x great grandparents John Bushell and Hannah Rudd had their banns called in July in Hockering, Norfolk, but didn't marry for 2 years, 7 months before the birth of their second child (assuming the first child was John's - she was born 4 months BEFORE the banns).

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England / Re: What does anno pd mean in parish registers?
« on: Tuesday 28 September 10 15:39 BST (UK)  »
I've not seen this in the flesh, and without seeing the full entry this is just a guess, but I would hazard "anno pr[a]edicto" which would mean the year previously mentioned.
This guess would be supported if:
the register only gives the full date when the year changes (25 March at that time)
or
the full date of baptism is given and "anno pd" is used for the date of birth - ore the other way round.

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