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Dublin / Re: Thomas Fredrick Gray born c.1865 Dublin
« on: Wednesday 21 April 10 16:45 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your replies. I had seen that birth but was unsure of it, as I thought he'd have been registered as Thomas Frederick Gray. Was it common that they would misspell the surname (GREY)?

It's confusing, as Thomas was apparently born in Dublin, his wife was born in Monaghan, the children were born in Antrim and they lived in Down! On the 1911 census Thomas' place of birth is first listed as Belfast, which is crossed out and replaced with Dublin!

Also, there are another family of Grays living in Solway. Do you think it's likely that they are related? John Gray is the head of the family.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226718/

They are listed as Episcopalians, whereas Thomas was Baptist. Was it common to have such a variation of spelling?

Thanks,
David

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Monaghan / Re: Gray, Lemon and Chapman Family of Clones, Monaghan, and Belfast
« on: Wednesday 21 April 10 16:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
Thanks for your message. It's great to hear from a living relative of the Chapmans!

I have since discovered that the children's parents were Robert Chapman and Margaret Jane Corbett, who married in Belfast in 1883.

With the help of the 1911 census I managed to confirm DOBs for the children:

Robert 1886
John Joseph 1887
Annie Marie 1889
George 1892
Margaret Jane 1893
Samuel Hamilton 1895
Lucinda Isabella 1899
Susan Amelia 1901
William Charles 1903
Martha Sophia 1905

According to the 1911 census they had 11 children, 10 of which were still living. I have found all 10 on the census. 5 were living with the mother. The father was living separately nearby. Samuel was a boarder with the Moffett family. Margaret was living with her uncle, William. Anna was a nurse. George was living with Robert and his wife, as you say.

I've still not found out anything about them emigrating.

I've ordered the parents' marriage certificate, so hopefully I can find out more about this side of the family.

I'd be grateful for any assistance.

Regards,
David

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Dublin / Thomas Fredrick Gray born c.1865 Dublin
« on: Wednesday 21 April 10 16:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I'm currently struggling to trace my great grandfather, Thomas Fredrick Gray. According to the 1911 Irish census, he was born in 1865 in Dublin. I can find no record of his birth on pilot.familysearch.org or on ifhf.brsgenealogy.com.

Thomas Gray was the father of my grandfather, John Gray. He married Mary Elizabeth Lemon on 05 May 1891 in Armagh. According to the marriage record on IFHF, his full name is Thomas Fredrick Gray. His father is listed as Joseph Gray, a coachman.

The witnesses were James J Elliott and Annie Quinne.

They were married in the Presbyterian Church by licence by J Elliott.

Residents of house number 68 in Solway (Victoria (part of), Down)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226768/

Do the familysearch records only go back to a certain date? Do you think he lied about his age on the census? Am I missing something obvious?

I'd be grateful for any help,
Thanks,
David

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Monaghan / Re: LEMON
« on: Wednesday 21 April 10 14:25 BST (UK)  »
There was another family of Grays living in Solway, who I think could be related:

Residents of house number 18 in Solway (Victoria (part of), Down)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226718/

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Monaghan / Re: LEMON
« on: Wednesday 21 April 10 14:24 BST (UK)  »
I just noticed a Gray/Boyd link. This is my grandfather's siblings and family. My grandfather, John Gray, was living with his grandparents, John and Harriet Lemon.

Residents of House Number 68 in Solway, Victoria, Down

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226768/

Clemina Lemon was Mary E's sister, so there's a good chance that Annie Boyd was also related.

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Monaghan / Re: LEMON
« on: Sunday 18 April 10 20:26 BST (UK)  »
I ordered the civil marriage record off the IFHF for Thomas Gray and Mary Lemon today. I thought you would be interested to see its contents: Note the appearance of the name Elliott again!

Thomas Gray was the father of my grandfather, John Gray. He married Mary Elizabeth Lemon on 05 May 1891 in Armagh. His full name is Thomas Fredrick Gray. His father is listed as Joseph Gray, a coachman.

The witnesses were James J Elliott and Annie Quinne.

They were married in the Presbyterian Church by licence by J Elliott.


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Monaghan / Re: Poet David LEMON died 1838 of Ballymorran, Killinchy, Co Down
« on: Monday 31 August 09 20:18 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Toddstown on Saturday 29 August 09 17:49 BST (UK)
Yesterday I also made some notes on a different David LEMON, so I guess this alternative David LEMON (died 1838) has to be considered also…given the scenario evolving...

Ros Davies writes that Ballymorran was the “home of poet David Lemon 21 Apr 1838” [source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/Ballyhm.htm ]
David LEMON .  Holywood of Ballymaghan; leased a house & small garden in 1863 from Thomas McClure GV . 
David LEMON .  Killinchy of Ballymorran, poet, died 21 Apr 1838 DR .
David LEMON . Killyleagh will probated 1839; executor was J. D. Wilson of Ballygoskin IIW # 38447
John LEMON . Killinchy of Ballymorran; died 16 Jun 1778 aged 21; son of James Lemon; buried Presbyterian graveyard MIs
[source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/L/LeaLem.htm#lem ]

Was there Presbyterian  migration from _______ Co Down to Co Monaghan and back to Ballymorran, Killinchy, Co Down, ?  There is a land record for a David LEMON, of Ballymorran.   Separately a Robert TODD (b. c. 1806)  family in Ballymorran also had a land record  with a RUSSELL family, as both recorded on microfilm at PRONI, Belfast, County Down, No IRE.  The RUSSELLs of Balloo Killinchy may be tied with the adjacent Ballymorran RUSSELLs, and the SCOTTs of Killinchy… I don’t recall the details offhand…After being kindly driven around Balloo, Ballymorran and Killinchy, County Down, this past spring, the neighborhood is certainly very close together.



Hmm this may be possible.

I found this website:

http://chicagoscots.net/Famous_Scots_N-Z.html

which says that Mary Patten married David Lemon. Unfortunately it gives no more information on David Lemon, as the section including L seems to be missing, but it does say how the Pattens emigrated from Scotland to Monaghan and from Monaghan to America. Mary Patten was born in Monaghan. As it says "FAMOUS SCOTS" maybe the connection to fame is that she married a poet, namely David Lemon, but I'm not sure. Who is the John Lemon, son of James, that you mentioned, and who is Reverend Agnew?

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Monaghan / Re: LEMON
« on: Sunday 30 August 09 11:30 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Toddstown on Saturday 29 August 09 15:54 BST (UK)

1. When did John LEMON b. c1846, the husband of Harriett Ann WILLIAMSON, die?  Could it be 1883? Is it known?


2. What are the full names of any of the known male children of this John LEMON b.c. 1846, son of a David LEMON?  Any Walter names?


I know that John Lemon lived close to the age of 100 and that he definitely died in County Monaghan - this information was from his daughter Tillie, who died this year at the age of 99. I am not sure of the date when he was born, as in 1901 it said he was 55 but in 1911 it said he was 72!

On the 1911 census John and Harriet are listed as having 10 children, 8 alive. My ancestor, John Gray (son of Mary Elizabeth Lemon and Thomas Gray), who was born in 1895, was living with his grandparents, John and Harriet, in 1911, so I'm wondering whether Mary was one of the Lemons who had died?

I only seem to have 9 children down (maybe one died in childbirth or something):

Mary Elizabeth, born c. 1867 (according to 1901 and 1911 censuses)
Margaret, born 1869, married Robert Henry Gordon
Letitia Ann, born 1872, married John Clarke
David John, born 1874
Thomas James, born 1876, married Isabella Neely
Clemena, born 1879, married Mark Reynolds
Henry, born 1880, married Susan
Susan, born 1883, married Edward Andrews
Artie, born c. 1886, emigrated to America

John's father was definitely called David as I have a copy of his marriage certificate. I think his mother was Martha Jane Hetherington or Mary Patten. I guess that David Lemon and Mary Todd were a generation earlier, but you don't have a John listed as son of David and Martha?

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Ireland / Re: HELP - marriage certificates, Ireland
« on: Friday 21 August 09 16:44 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, I found those but I'm still a bit unsure of how you order them. On the marriage forms it says PPS number, what's that? I also found an emigration record for Anna Chapman, one of Lucinda's sisters, who emigrated to New York at the age of 10! Was that unusual? Do you think she went with family or someone else? How would I find that out? The parents definitely stayed in Ireland. Thanks Shane, but on the forms I downloaded from the home page there isn't an option for volume number and page.

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