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I have the death certificate and death notice, as well as burial information.

Death Certificate - Dated Sept 20, 1938
Sept 17, 1938 at 15 Crump Street, 85 Years old, Widow of James Prescott Able Seaman
Cause of Death: Myocarditis and bronchitis accelerated by bruising of the chest & ribs accidentally caused by falling in the kitchen on the 31st ultimo
Informant: Certificate received from G. C. Mort Coroner for Liverpool Inquest held Sept 19, 1938
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Burial
Ellen was buried at Allerton Cemetery in Liverpool on Wednesday, September 21, 1938.  Her grave site is # 1168 in General Section 9, order # 42374.  There is no headstone and no one else is buried in the grave.  The owner of the grave is Alice Prescott.

As you can see there is no mention of my grandfather.

John William was a house painter at one point (probably worked for his father in law, Thomas Stenson who was a house painter).  He is also listed as a Fireman somewhere.  The person I found on the passenger list was a Fireman. I tried contacting the shipping line but they had no information.

Family legend has it that he went to New York and was painting ships on the docks in Brooklyn when he had a fall and was hospitalized.  He supposedly wrote to his mother for bith certificates of the children so he could claim compensation for dependants.  She did not respond, saying that he was never any good!!! Since the children were born 1899 - 1905, I assume this would have been about 1910 - 1915.

Closely knit family!

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Thanks for the offer Carole.  I think I will need to wait for the 1921 census to find my grandfather.

Ellen and John William's mother was Ellen PRESCOTT who never married. She is on the 1891 and 1911 Censuses and claims to be a widow.  She misses the other census years.

Ellen senior had 6 children.  I have birth certificates for all of them. I have baptism for the first 3 that say the parents are James and Ellen, but the birth certificates indicate that Ellen was not married.  This is confirmed by other details. The children  are:

            
1   Name:   Ellen Prescott   F         
   Birth:   18   Jan 1872 in 18 Beatrice Street, Everton, Lancashire         
   Death:   12   Aug 1872 in 9 Back Beam Street, Everton, Lancashire   
            
2   Name:   Elizabeth Ann Harrison Prescott  F         
   Birth:   06   Mar 1874 in 23 Lambert Street, Liverpool, England            
   Death:   11   May 1963 in 3 Chorley Road, Hilldale, Wrightington, Lancashire   
   Marriage:   18   Oct 1900 in Blackburn, Lancashire, England   
   Baptism:   21   Apr 1874 in St Peters, Liverpool   
   Spouse:   Thomas Bourn   
            
3   Name:   James Prescott M         
   Birth:   27   Jun 1875 in 3 Edge Hill Place, West Derby, Lancashire         
   Death:   1929 in Liverpool   
   Marriage:   02   Nov 1897 in St Gabriel's, Toxteth Park   
   Spouse:   Hannah Harriet Hughes   
            
4   Name:   John William Prescott M         
   Birth:   19   Jun 1877 in 3 Edge Hill Place, West Derby, Lancashire, England      
   Marriage:   19   Jan 1897 in St Gabriel's Church, Toxteth Park   
   Spouse:   Sarah Jane Stenson   
            
5   Name:   Ellen Prescott   F         
   Birth:   03   Feb 1881 in 81 Railway Grove, Deptford, Kent, England         
   Death:   18   Mar 1971 in Liverpool, England   
            
6   Name:   Alice Prescott   F         
   Birth:   10   Feb 1883 in 2 Court William Street, Toxteth Park, England         
   Death:   Dec 1970 in Liverpool, England   
            
John William and Sarah Jane had 3 children.  Sarah Jane died of Typhoid in 1906 and John William left the kids in Liverpool and supposedly went to the United States and was never seen again.

However, there is a story that someone claimed to see him at his mother's funeral in 1938.  Also, my first cousin told me a few years ago that he had been thought to be in the US but they found him living with his sister.  Then there is the story that Ellen might have moved in with a brother.  Hence, my query regarding Hollywood Road.

I have been unable to find my grandfather in the US, nor have I been able to identify a death in England.  I have found a man that appears to be him on a passenger list about 1910, returning from the far east.  But, I can't say for sure that it is him.            


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Thank you very much for this information, Susie.  It is exactly what I needed to narrow down her movements.

Vern

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I have discovered that Ellen PRESCOTT still lived at 20 Errol Street in 1949.  So Ellen moved to Dingle Vale Road after 1949 and lived there a few years before moving to 20 Hollywood Road.  I am really just trying to find out  when she moved to Hollywood Road, and if there was another PRESCOTT living there when she moved in.  I think I can safely cut the time period to about 1955 - 1965 at this point.
Electoral rolls are probably my best bet for that.  I assume that Liverpool electoral rolls would be at the Liverpool Record Office.  But, I wonder if they might also be held at the Lancashire Record Office in Preston?

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Thanks for your reply, Carole.
Sorry, it was not my intention to ask for a 21 year search.  I simply thought that someone who had a directory or two in that time frame might do me a favour of a lookup of Prescotts and of Hollywood Road to help me narrow things down.
As for electoral rolls, I know nothing about them but someone had suggested them to me as a source.
Yes I have her death certificate and the informant doesn't help.
Again, I am sorry that people think that I have asked for extensive research and apologise for the request and hereby withdraw it..

Vern

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Hi Everyone.  I am wondering if some kind soul would please look in Liverpool directories for my great aunt Ellen PRESCOTT who lived in Errol Street, Dingle Vale Road,  and Hollywood Road at various times.  She lived at 20 Hollywood Road when she died in 1971.  It has been suggested to me that she might have gone there to live with a brother (who would have to be my long lost grandfather, John William PRESCOTT).  I would like to determine when she moved to Hollywood Road, and who lived at #20 before she moved in.

I understand that electoral rolls might also be available and would list all residents of the household.

In review, I am interested in
     any listings for Ellen Prescott  1945 - 1965
     any listings for John William Prescott 1945 - 1965
     any listings for 20 Hollywood Road

Thanks
Vern in Canada

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Armed Forces / Re: The Leicestershire Regiment (17th Regiment)
« on: Wednesday 25 May 11 00:02 BST (UK)  »
I have been through the parish registers for Coleorton where he was born but can't find any record. I have also looked in transcripts of surrounding parishes published by the LRFHS.   His brother, who was actually my ancestor, was a baptist so I am assuming that is why I can't find anything in the parish registers.
I would have thought that enlistment documents or attestation papers would have listed a next of kin, which would probably be his father or mother.

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Armed Forces / Re: The Leicestershire Regiment (17th Regiment)
« on: Tuesday 24 May 11 22:13 BST (UK)  »
I have an ancestor, Joseph STENSON, who was born in Coleorton Leicestershire 14 Feb 1775.  His obituary says he joined the military "at an early age" and served in Ireland.  I suspect he was in the 17 Leicestershire regiment since he was from Leicestershire and I know The 17th was in Ireland about 1800.
Does anyone know whether service records exist from that time period and how I would go about getting them?  First I would like to somehow confirm that I have the right regiment.  Do muster lists exist and where?  Then, I would like to find any information available in the hope that Joseph's father might be identified.
Than you for any assistance or guidance that you might be able to provide.

Vern

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Northumberland / Re: Descendants of Robert Stephenson and Mabel Carr
« on: Friday 04 February 11 20:05 GMT (UK)  »
This is my family crest. My father has a ring with this crest, and it has been in our family for a very long time. If anyone would like to find out more or discuss this, please cantact me.

I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that these coats of arms and crests are passed down through the male line.  Hence only a STEPHENSON would be entitled to the crest.


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