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Apologies in advance for what has turned out to be quite a lengthy post – but I wonder if anyone with access to the Sutton-in-Ashfield St Mary Magdalene Parish Records could please verify the information I have found on the Nottinghamshire Family History Society (NFHS) Burial Parish Register CD, relating to this burial of Thomas Morley. Basically I would like confirmation that the date is indeed correct, and that Thomas’s age is 55yrs.

I want to try and verify this information because I am descended from Thomas and Catherine’s 5th son, Sampson Morley, with Thomas being my 3x great grandfather. I can find several possibilities for Thomas’s birth/baptism – but cannot be certain which is the correct one – so verifying these burial details would help me pin down his likely birth year a little more accurately. This would clearly be around 1777 if these burial details are correct.

My view is that this Thomas Morley is very likely the chap who married Catherine Hibbert at St Mary & All Saints in Chesterfield, Derbyshire on 12th May 1805. However, all of the (many) online trees I have found for this Thomas have his burial either at Caunton, Nottinghamshire in 1838, or in 1861 at various locations – Warwickshire, Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire. Unfortunately I have not found any convincing evidence to support these 1838 or 1861 dates – whereas I believe there is strong evidence to support the 1832 date.

Briefly, the NFHS Baptism CD appears to indicate that this couple had a number of children – all baptised in Sutton-in-Ashfield:
James – 5th May 1806
John* - 18th July 1807
Thomas* - 6th March 1809
Allen – 30th December 1810
Eliza – 25th October 1812
Sampson* - 18th February 1815
Alfred* - 2nd January 1817
Catherine* - 2nd May 1819
Fanny* – 24th December 1820
Elizabeth* - 26th February 1826

For all of those marked with an asterisk, The parents are noted to be Thomas and Catherine, with Thomas’s profession being Framework Knitter. For those without an asterisk, the parents are given as Thos and Catherine, and no profession is given for Thos – but as these are all within the Sutton-in-Ashfield register – and as the dates all seem reasonable, I see no reason to not think these couples are one and the same.

Catherine (aged 57 – and not born in the County) then appears in the 1841 Census, at Reform St (?), Pingle, Sutton-in-Ashfield – living with her 15 year old daughter Elizabeth, and her 22 year old daughter Catherine, who is now married to Samuel Hardstaff. On the same Census page I also see her son, the 30 year old Allen Morley, with his wife and family. There is no sign of Thomas senior – which makes me think he has already died. Nor is there any mention of Thomas junior – but I believe that this is because he had been “Transportated for 10 years” in 1838, having been convicted of theft as detailed in the July 7th 1838 edition of the Nottingham and Newark Mercury – to be seen at Find My Past.

I believe Catherine also appears in the 1851 Census - under the name of Kitty Morley - a 66 year old widow and Pauper, living at 774 Pingle, Sutton-in-Ashfield – and giving her place of birth as Litton, Derbyshire. Ancestry gives details of a baptism of Katherine, daughter of John and Susannah Hibbert at Litton in Derbyshire on 4th January 1786 – so this seems to tie in.

The NFHS Burial CD then appears to give Catherine’s burial – at Sutton-in-Ashfield on 19th April 1858 – with Catherine’s age given as 73.

In summary, following their marriage in 1805, I believe that this family seems to have settled in Sutton-in-Ashfield – such that there is no good reason why Thomas senior would have been buried in Caunton or elsewhere.
 
As I said at the outset, the reason for this post is primarily to seek confirmation from the Sutton-in-Ashfield Parish Records of the details of Thomas’s burial in 1832 - but I would also be interested to hear any comments or observations that anyone has on the reasoning I have set out above.

Thanks in anticipation

Hello,

I wonder if anyone can please help me track down what happened to Emma Tranter, nee Bowers, my 2x great grandmother, after the death of her husband, Frederick Tranter, in a tragic railway accident in March 1862.

The information I have is that Emma Bowers was baptised at St Mary’s, Uttoxeter, on 16th August 1839, the daughter of Thomas Bowers (a Butcher) and his wife Mary (nee Rock);

Emma appears on the 1841 Census living with her parents and siblings (Sarah, James, Hannah & Elizabeth) at Church Street, Uttoxeter. In the 1851 Census she is still living in Church Street (at No. 64) with parents and siblings Ellen & Louisa; and in the 1861 Census she is still living in Church Street (this time at No. 78) with parents and siblings James & Ellen;

Emma then married Frederick Tranter at St Mary’s, Uttoxeter, on 13th Oct 1861. Their daughter, Louisa Tranter (my gt grandmother) was born on 3rd January 1862 and baptised at St Mary’s, Uttoxeter, on April 27th 1862 – by which time her father, Frederick, had died, aged just 21.

In the 1871 Census I have tracked down Louisa living at 40 Church Street, Uttoxeter, with her grandmother Mary Bowers (now widowed) – but there is no sign of Emma – and I have been unable to find any sign of Emma at all, post-1862.

So, if anyone can assist in tracking her down – or offer any suggestions as to where I might find information about her – it will be greatly appreciated.

Hello,

I wonder if anyone can help me track down the marriage of my 5x great grandfather Thomas Marriot (Marriott/Marriotte?) to Martha Unknown - which I’m assuming took place in the mid to late 1730s, presumably in Nottinghamshire (close to Sutton-in-Ashfield?).

The information I have found (several years ago, from microfilm copies of the Sutton-in-Ashfield Parish Registers, viewed at my local LDS Family History Centre), is the following baptisms:

1 - Oct 8th 1738 - Baptism - John, son of Thomas & Martha Marriotte;
2 - Sep 7th 1740 - Baptism - William, son of Thomas & Martha Marriotte;
3 - Oct 9th 1743 - Baptism - Hannah, daughter of Thomas & Martha Marriote;
4 - Jan 20th 1750/1 - Baptism - Thomas, son of Thomas & Marth Marriot;
5 - May 19th 1753 - Baptism - Christopher, son of Thomas & Martha Marriot.

Christopher was my 4x great grandfather, and I’ve found his marriage to Ann Butterworth in S-in-A on 15th Feb 1780 – and am happy that I can trace my line forwards from this couple with no great difficulty.

These baptisms suggest to me that Thomas and Martha married some time around 1738, but, as I said at the outset, I cannot find a marriage in the necessary c1730-1738 period – either in Nottinghamshire, or indeed in the country as a whole. I have checked on Familysearch, Find My Past, Ancestry, the Genealogist and FreeReg.

I realise that not all Parish details are currently available online, but I’m a bit at a loss where to look next!

Doing a bit of straw-grasping, my current thoughts are that a record of the marriage does exist – but has been wrongly transcribed. Perhaps the record actually says “Martha” or “Marth” – but has been transcribed as “Mary”? Possibly wishful thinking - but at least something to check, if I can get to view the original Parish Registers.

I won’t ramble anymore – but if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions for further avenues of research, they would be gratefully received.

Apologies in advance for the length of this post – but I need to set out a certain amount of detail. 

Basically, I obviously realise that times are strange at present, with the coronavirus lockdown – but I wonder if anyone has access to the Staveley (Derbyshire) Parish Records – or the BTs?

I ask because I’m re-visiting my problem (posted on here back in 2015), of trying to track down the baptisms of both my 6x great grandfather – Joseph Wildsmith – and his wife, Jane Norborne. They were married in Staveley on December 1st, 1713 (record available at FreeReg, but not on Familysearch, Ancestry or FindMyPast). Jane died in 1723 and Joseph re-married in 1724. His new wife was Barbara Saxton, with the marriage taking place at Chesterfield on 13th November. His marriage allegation for this second marriage – available on FindMyPast, indicates that in 1724 he was aged 34 – ie was born in 1690 or thereabouts.

Joseph had several children by both Jane and then Barbara – and a very helpful response by “spendlove” to my original post noted that the English Naming Pattern (if followed in this case), pointed to Joseph’s parents being Robert and Ann, with Jane’s parents being William and Mary.

There was, indeed, a Wildsmith family living in Staveley at the appropriate time – with parents Robert and Anne – and some 9 children, born between 1678 and 1698. But no sign of a Joseph. Mary was baptised 19th Feb 1688, with William baptised 22nd March 1691 – so there is a suitable "gap" where my Joseph could have been born/baptised – but no mention of him.

However, this brings me to the main reason for this current post. In the past I have examined microfilms of the Staveley Parish Records, at an LDS Family History Centre and the Derbyshire Records Office at Matlock – and have also examined the BTs at the old Lichfield Records Office. On none of these occasions was I able to find a baptism for Joseph or Jane – but I’m now wondering whether I might simply have overlooked them.

To explain why I’m saying this, I need to also explain that the typed transcripts of the Staveley Parish Registers which were compiled by Anthony and Sheila Smith in 2001 (which I saw at the Lichfield Records Office), and which also form the basis of the Baptism, Marriage and Burial information on the ``Staveley One Place Study” website, appear to have incorrectly recorded a baptism (illegitimate?) in 1670 of an “Alice” – where the father is recorded in the transcripts as “Robert Smith” – but where the actual Register entry seems to me to clearly read “Robert Wildsmith”. Please see attached photo.
 
I read this as saying “Alice Daughter (as said) of Robert Wildsmith & Anne Olay* bapt Oct 2”
[*or “Clay”, as the transcript says]

All of this is just to suggest that if there has been a transcription error in this case, might there also have been another error – such that I might find a baptism for Joseph Wildsmith, in the 1689-1691 period, if I’m able to check the original registers or the BTs again? I accept that this may well have to wait until the coronavirus lockdown ends – but just wondered if anyone out there – with time on their hands and access to the actual registers – might be able to assist.

Thanking you in anticipation

Hi,

Recently, at a car boot sale I came across a white ring-binder containing a 127 page study entitled "The Cleggs of Burnley", with a Copyright date of 1999 on the cover.  It appears to deal with the descendants of Edward Clegg, who's son was John Clegg, born 22nd May 1680 in Burnley.  It moves on to cover many descendants in America.

I know nothing more about the study, so cannot vouch for its accuracy - but I'm quite happy to pass it on, free of charge, to anyone who thinks they can make use of it.  I'll just ask for the postage to be paid - which I estimate to be £2.85.

If anyone thinks they might be interested - or wants further information, please PM me.

David