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Dumfriesshire / Wilsons/Rogersons of Tundergarth and Lockerbie
« on: Monday 04 June 12 16:09 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Am stuck on my ggg-grandfather, James Wilson b. between 1782 and 1801 in Tundergarth, who lived at Bridge Street, Lockerbie from 1841 until his death in 1866.
He was probably married to a Mary Black or Blaik b. c1796 in Dumfriesshire but I can find no record of their marriage.
The facts I have are:-
1841 Census, living at Bridge St., Lockerbie
James Wilson, Head, (40), Ag Lab day [b.c1801]
Mary Wilson, (45)
Andrew Wilson (18)
Margaret Wilson (16)
James Wilson (14)- my gg-grandfather.
1851 Census, living at Bridge St., Lockerbie
James Wilson, Head, Widower, (51), formerly Shepherd, b. Tundergarth [b. c1800]
Andrew Wilson, Son, Single, (25), Farm servant, b. Dryfesdale
Margaret Wilson, Dau, Single, (23), b. Dryfesdale
James Wilson, Son, Single, (20) Ag Lab, b. Dryfesdale
Andrew Wilson, Grandson, (4), b. Dryfesdale [young Andrew is Margaret Wilson's illegitimate son]
1861 Census, living at Bridge St., Lockerbie
James Wilson, Head, Widower, (68), Lab, b. Tundergarth [b. c1793]
Margaret Wilson, Dau., Single, (34), Dressmaker, b. Dryfesdale
Andrew (looks like) Wishit, Single, (14), Grandson, Scholar, b. Dryfesdale [think this should be Andrew Wilson]
James Nicol, Single, (7), Grandson, Scholar, b. Dryfesdale [can't find his birth]
-also in Bridge St., Lockerbie in 1861 his son James's family:-
James Wilson, Head, Marr, (30), Lab., b. Dryfesdale
Mary [Dickson] Wilson, Wife, (28), b. Dalton
Janet Wilson, Dau., (6), Scholar, b. Dryfesdale
Walter Wilson, Son, (4), b. Dryfesdale
Robert Wilson, Son, (2), b. Dryfesdale
James Wilson, Son, (2 mos), b. Dryfesdale
(I included his son's family as children's names may give some clue to earlier names)
James Wilson Snr and Mary Black had 4 children that I know of:-
William b. 1820, Andrew b. 1826, Margaret b.1828 and James b.1830. William's death record gives his parents as James Wilson and Mary Black, Andrew's gives James Wilson and Margaret Black, I can find no death record for Margaret, and James' death record has James Wilson as father and 'not known' for mother.
A death record I found for James Wilson of Bridge St., Lockerbie dated 20 Feb 1866 has him as James Wilson, 84yrs [b. c1782!], Pauper, formerly cattle driver, Widower of Mary Black.
FATHER: Name not known
MOTHER: Joan Wilson M.S. ROGERSON (dec'd)
INFORMANT: James (his X mark) Wilson, Son, Present.
I found a Joanna Wilson (65), [b. c1776] living at Lairdholme, Tundergarth in 1841 with a John Wilson (30), Mary Wilson (32), Jean Saddler (10) and Joanne Bell (7)
I found death of Jean Rogerson at Dalbate, Tundergarth in 1843
I found above Mary Wilson (49), Widow, at Dalbate in 1851, with dau Jean Wilson b.1833 and Mary's niece Joanne Bell (17) and nephew Robert Bryan 9ms
Looking at the death record of above Mary Wilson, 77yrs, at 'Debate', Tundergarth in 1877, parents' details are both blank!
Looking at the 1902 death record of one JANE WILSON, 90yrs, (who was living at 'Debate', Tundergarth along with above Mary Wilson in later censuses), her parents are given as SAMUEL WILSON and JOAN ROGERSON.
It's all a bit confusing, firstly because the name Samuel does not carry down through the Wilson tree at all, and with my James Snr's age appearing to increase a whole generation until he's practically the same age as a woman I had thought was possibly his mother!!
It looks to me as if there are two different elderly James Wilsons, because the ages are far too far apart for him to have shaved nearly 20 years off of it merely for the sake of vanity. And yet the wife's name - Mary Black / Blaik ties in on each of them?? I think I need to clap eyes on a few MIs in the Lockerbie / Tundergarth area before I'll unravel this one.
Any help greatly appreciated
June
Am stuck on my ggg-grandfather, James Wilson b. between 1782 and 1801 in Tundergarth, who lived at Bridge Street, Lockerbie from 1841 until his death in 1866.
He was probably married to a Mary Black or Blaik b. c1796 in Dumfriesshire but I can find no record of their marriage.
The facts I have are:-
1841 Census, living at Bridge St., Lockerbie
James Wilson, Head, (40), Ag Lab day [b.c1801]
Mary Wilson, (45)
Andrew Wilson (18)
Margaret Wilson (16)
James Wilson (14)- my gg-grandfather.
1851 Census, living at Bridge St., Lockerbie
James Wilson, Head, Widower, (51), formerly Shepherd, b. Tundergarth [b. c1800]
Andrew Wilson, Son, Single, (25), Farm servant, b. Dryfesdale
Margaret Wilson, Dau, Single, (23), b. Dryfesdale
James Wilson, Son, Single, (20) Ag Lab, b. Dryfesdale
Andrew Wilson, Grandson, (4), b. Dryfesdale [young Andrew is Margaret Wilson's illegitimate son]
1861 Census, living at Bridge St., Lockerbie
James Wilson, Head, Widower, (68), Lab, b. Tundergarth [b. c1793]
Margaret Wilson, Dau., Single, (34), Dressmaker, b. Dryfesdale
Andrew (looks like) Wishit, Single, (14), Grandson, Scholar, b. Dryfesdale [think this should be Andrew Wilson]
James Nicol, Single, (7), Grandson, Scholar, b. Dryfesdale [can't find his birth]
-also in Bridge St., Lockerbie in 1861 his son James's family:-
James Wilson, Head, Marr, (30), Lab., b. Dryfesdale
Mary [Dickson] Wilson, Wife, (28), b. Dalton
Janet Wilson, Dau., (6), Scholar, b. Dryfesdale
Walter Wilson, Son, (4), b. Dryfesdale
Robert Wilson, Son, (2), b. Dryfesdale
James Wilson, Son, (2 mos), b. Dryfesdale
(I included his son's family as children's names may give some clue to earlier names)
James Wilson Snr and Mary Black had 4 children that I know of:-
William b. 1820, Andrew b. 1826, Margaret b.1828 and James b.1830. William's death record gives his parents as James Wilson and Mary Black, Andrew's gives James Wilson and Margaret Black, I can find no death record for Margaret, and James' death record has James Wilson as father and 'not known' for mother.
A death record I found for James Wilson of Bridge St., Lockerbie dated 20 Feb 1866 has him as James Wilson, 84yrs [b. c1782!], Pauper, formerly cattle driver, Widower of Mary Black.
FATHER: Name not known
MOTHER: Joan Wilson M.S. ROGERSON (dec'd)
INFORMANT: James (his X mark) Wilson, Son, Present.
I found a Joanna Wilson (65), [b. c1776] living at Lairdholme, Tundergarth in 1841 with a John Wilson (30), Mary Wilson (32), Jean Saddler (10) and Joanne Bell (7)
I found death of Jean Rogerson at Dalbate, Tundergarth in 1843
I found above Mary Wilson (49), Widow, at Dalbate in 1851, with dau Jean Wilson b.1833 and Mary's niece Joanne Bell (17) and nephew Robert Bryan 9ms
Looking at the death record of above Mary Wilson, 77yrs, at 'Debate', Tundergarth in 1877, parents' details are both blank!
Looking at the 1902 death record of one JANE WILSON, 90yrs, (who was living at 'Debate', Tundergarth along with above Mary Wilson in later censuses), her parents are given as SAMUEL WILSON and JOAN ROGERSON.
It's all a bit confusing, firstly because the name Samuel does not carry down through the Wilson tree at all, and with my James Snr's age appearing to increase a whole generation until he's practically the same age as a woman I had thought was possibly his mother!!
It looks to me as if there are two different elderly James Wilsons, because the ages are far too far apart for him to have shaved nearly 20 years off of it merely for the sake of vanity. And yet the wife's name - Mary Black / Blaik ties in on each of them?? I think I need to clap eyes on a few MIs in the Lockerbie / Tundergarth area before I'll unravel this one.
Any help greatly appreciated
June
