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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / BARHAM and WHICHER of St. Alfege Greenwich
« on: Thursday 15 September 11 17:59 BST (UK)  »
While BARHAM is not a common surname, it was and is by no means rare, and did crop up a good bit in London, Kent, and Sussex--their epicenters were the Canterbury and Maidstone areas, all rather thoroughly researched but not always followed up in detail, re-checked and revised.  My own group was primarily Boughton Monchelsea, Kent, with a few lines going into metro London.  Of interest here was Drew/Drue/Drugo Barham, youngest son of Robert Barham Sr. and Susanna Sare, apprenticed to George Preston, grocer of London, by 1630, and by 1633 was known himself as "grocer."  He appears that way in the marriage register for St. Alfege Greenwich on 21 April 1636, at his marriage to Elizabeth Whicher.  This marriage, along with others from St. Alfege, were extracted for antiquarian compendia over the years, and more recently have been indexed as images through the LMA partnership with Ancestry.

My immediate interest is to link this marriage to the other St. Alfege Barham groups that show up by the end of the 17th and continue into the 18th century, as reported by the LMA/Ancestry project, which seem to begin with a Richard & Elizabeth Barham, and continue with their children and grandchildren; or, to disprove any such linkage.  The indexing tells me nothing as to Drue Barham's final disposition, whether Elizabeth survived him, or of any children baptised.  If anyone has great familiarity with this parish, and/or with either family as constituted there, I'd welcome the help.  Drue/Drew/Drugo Barham was baptised 27 August 1612 at Boughton Monchelsea, Kent.  His only mentions found to-date have been via the 1619 Visitation of Kent, a running chancery suit brought by his elder brother in light of their father's death, and the above-detailed marriage to Elizabeth Whicher.  Drue is listed as being of St. Clement Danes, but research at the LMA has not turned up any other relevant St. Clements Barham notations.  Elizabeth was reported as being "of the parish [St. Alfege]" in the marriage register.  A few years prior, a George Whicher buried spouse Joan Whicher, and George himself seems to have died in 1636, the same year as Elizabeth's marriage.  Of the Whichers, I know next to nothing.

Again, thanks for any help or suggestions--including other chat forums at Rootschat that may be more appropriate to the query.

David in Richmond, VA

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I'm hoping a chatter has access to Banbury area burials in book form.  I'm interested in the register listings for the church at Wroxton, and the burials for Thomas Morton d. 1704 and his wife Elizabeth Morton d. 1705.  There's a teaser quote on Ancestry from the Banbury burials book regarding Thomas Morton, which may be a register reference to Honors dating from Charles II.  The Mortons are buried at Wroxton due to Elizabeth's parentage--Sir John Finett and Dame Jane Wentworth Finett.  The surveyed church memorials text reads thus:


"The three following epitaphs are to the memory of the descendants of Anne, Countess of Downe, by her first husband, Henry Lord Wentworth.

1. "Here lyeth buried the body of Dame JANE FINET, only daughter of Henry Lord Wentworth, Baron of Nettlested, in the covnty of Suffolke, and widdow of Sir John Finet, master of the ceremonys to King Charles. She departed this life the 18th day of July, 1652, and left behind her one sonn and five daughters."

2. "Here lyeth the body of THOMAS MORTON, esq., who departed this life the 10th day of May, 1704, in the 75th year of his age. Here lyeth the body of ELIZABETH MORTON, the wife of Thomas Morton, esq., who' departed this life the 2d day of Feb. in the year of our Lord 1705, and in the 83 year of her age. She was daughter of Sir John Finet, master of the ceremonys, and grand-daughter to Anne, Countesse of Down. Interred in this place."

3. "Here lyeth the body of FINETA FINET, who departed this life the 4th day of March, in the year of our Lord 1709. And in the 84th year of her age. She was daughter of Sir John Finet, master of the ceremonys, and grand-daughter to Ann, Countesse of Down. Interred in this place."

The Mortons' interrment at Wroxton was due to Elizabeth's descendancy from Henry Lord Wentworth's wife Anne, her family seat being Wroxton Abbey.  Thomas Morton was the third husband of Elizabeth Finett (second husband John RUSHOUT began a baronetcy and string of Worcester MPs--Elizabeth was his second wife, and no issue by her), and while I know a great deal about her, I know very little about him.  I'm still hunting for their marriage in Westminster/London, and believe it to date to ca. 1655.  My tie to Elizabeth is via her only child born to first husband James GODSCHALKE (m. 1638-9), son of Flemish cloth merchant Joos Godschalke of London and Essex.  The son was John Godschalke, knighted in June 1660 at the age of 20/21, and married to Anne FILMER of East Sutton, Kent, in mid-1659.  Young Sir John was murdered at the Golden Fleece Tavern in Covent Garden in November 1660, leaving widow Dame Anne with one 2 month old son, John, and pregnant with daughter Anne Godschalke, born August 1661 and later married to Sir Thomas SAMWELL, from whom descend the Samwell baronetcy of Upton, Northants.  It's an interesting hard-to-make-up saga (the murder chronicled by 3 different Restoration diarists, including Pepys), with a couple of loose ends at this point, including finding out just who Thomas Morton was! 

Also on the bucket list are wills for both Thomas and Elizabeth, which so far have been elusive; they're not in the PCC, and I don't know what other jurisdiction might have had them, save the appropriate Archdeaconry or Consistory Court for their residence at death.  Don't want to be too greedy though---I'd be happy with full quotes from the Banbury burials and the Wroxton interments mentioned above.  As an aside, my only blood connection to the above was Anne Filmer Godschalke, d-i-l to Elizabeth Morton.  Thanks for any help! :)

David in Richmond, VA

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Warwickshire / Godschalke/Godscall/etc. of Atherston-on-Stour...? 1600s
« on: Monday 05 September 11 00:10 BST (UK)  »
I'm new to the Warwickshire field, and have an unusual research topic that's led me here.  I'm following up on a baronetage reference for an old Northamptonshire family, the Samwells of Upton.  Thomas Samwell, who became the first baronet in 1675, is referred to as marrying Anne Godschalk, d/o Sir John Godschalk of Atherston-on-Stour (rendered as "Stower" in the reference title), Warwickshire.  She is also named as Sir John's heir.

Online databases for Warwickshire materials have so far netted me zero in confirming a residence of A-on-S for the Godschalks.  And, it gets even more complicated.  KB listings for Restoration knighthoods confirm that John Godschalke was knighted on 24 June 1660.  The listing there suggests that he was of "Aldeston, Worcester."  Now, there is no "Aldeston" in Worcestershire, but there is an "Aldington."  No joy there either for the Godschalkes.  There is also an Alderton, Wiltshire....but I don't think roads lead there.

In addition to Sir John's date of knighthood, I do know that his PCC will was written in the Summer of 1659, and names his wife Anne, and mother Elizabeth, now married to a Thomas Morton.  The will was probated in late November 1660.  It mentions no children in the body of the will, partially explained by the birth of his only son, John, in August of 1660 (the baptism recorded at St. Margaret's Westminster).  The St. M's registers make no other mention of a Godschalke baptism up to that point (the shut-off date is 1660 for this volume--later volumes have not been seen.  To make things even more interesting, Sir John met an untimely end:  he was murdered at the Golden Fleece Tavern in November 1660, an event covered by three different Restoration diarists, including Pepys.  Dame Anne Godschalke, widow of Sir John, and born Anne Filmer--daughter of Sir Robert Filmer of East Sutton, Kent (author of "Patriarcha"), continued to live in London up until the 1670s, at which time she sold her property leases to William Ashburnham of the Royal Household (the Godschalkes seem to have lived in the Westminster Abbey precincts), and moved back to her childhood home of East Sutton Park in Kent.  Her will was written in June of 1676, and proved in February of 1677/8.  She is buried with her Filmer family at Sts. Peter & Paul, East Sutton.  Her son John Godschalke matriculated at Oxford in 1677, age 16.  It is not known whether he married, but he, like his mother, is buried at East Sutton, and died in November 1683.

I'm thinking that Anne Godschalke, daughter and heir of Sir John, was born after her father's death, perhaps in early 1661.  If the marriage to Thomas Samwell of Upton, Northants happened after 1683, she would have indeed been her father's heir, having survived her brother John.  The referenced history of the Samwell baronet makes no mention of the marriage date.  The PCC will for Thomas Samwell of Upton is dated 1696, and there is none for Anne, suggesting that she either didn't survive him, or else remarried.  One quickly glanced Samwell descendancy on StirNet (before the warning window kicks in and makes you join or else), suggested a burial date of 1690 for Anne, wife of Thomas.  She's credited for being Thomas Samwell's second wife, and having two children by him--perhaps she died of childbirth complications from the second one.  Hard to say.  I've looked in vain for memorial lists for the church at Upton by the manor--some vague descriptions of Samwell memorials, but nothing specific.

So....the best case scenario for making all the above work:  Anne Godschalke lived with her Filmer relatives until the death of her brother and heir John Godschalke Esq. in 1683, and then returned to her father's relatives in Warwickshire, where she was shortly married.  Another possiblity is that Thomas Samwell was living in London, and it was there that the match was made, as the Filmer connections in the capital were plentiful.  The burning question, then, is whether there were Godschalke relatives in Warwickshire before and during the Restoration timeframe--roughly from Charles 1 through the end of Charles II.

As a finding aid, Godschalke has been rendered as Godschalk, Godschall, Godshall, Godscall....etc.  The Flemish-born merchant dynasty of the same name--and same period--in London, is not connected....as far as I can tell.  Any help with the above is most welcome.....hopefully I have enough details to ring a bell for someone!

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Warwickshire / Godschalke/Godscall/etc. of Atherston-on-Stour...? 1600s
« on: Sunday 04 September 11 23:12 BST (UK)  »
I'm new to the Warwickshire field, and have an unusual research topic that's led me here.  I'm following up on a baronetage reference for an old Northamptonshire family, the Samwells of Upton.  Thomas Samwell, who became the first baronet in 1675, is referred to as marrying Anne Godschalk, d/o Sir John Godschalk of Atherston-on-Stour (rendered as "Stower" in the reference title), Warwickshire.  She is also named as Sir John's heir.

Online databases for Warwickshire materials have so far netted me zero in confirming a residence of A-on-S for the Godschalks.  And, it gets even more complicated.  KB listings for Restoration knighthoods confirm that John Godschalke was knighted on 24 June 1660.  The listing there suggests that he was of "Aldeston, Worcester."  Now, there is no "Aldeston" in Worcestershire, but there is an "Aldington."  No joy there either for the Godschalkes.  There is also an Alderton, Wiltshire....but I don't think roads lead there.

In addition to Sir John's date of knighthood, I do know that his PCC will was written in the Summer of 1659, and names his wife Anne, and mother Elizabeth, now married to a Thomas Morton.  The will was probated in late November 1660.  It mentions no children in the body of the will, partially explained by the birth of his only son, John, in August of 1660 (the baptism recorded at St. Margaret's Westminster.  The St. M's registers make no other mention of a Godschalke baptism up to that point (the shut-off date is 1660 for this volume--later volumes have not been seen.  To make things even more interesting, Sir John met an untimely end:  he was murdered at the Golden Fleece Tavern in November 1660, an event covered by three different Restoration diarists, including Pepys.  Dame Anne Godschalke, widow of Sir John, and born Anne Filmer--daughter of Sir Robert Filmer of East Sutton, Kent (author of "Patriarcha"), continued to live in London up until the 1670s, at which time she sold her property leases to William Ashburnham of the Royal Household (the Godschalkes seem to have lived in the Westminster Abbey precincts), and moved back to her childhood home of East Sutton Park in Kent.  Her will was written in June of 1676, and proved in February of 1677/8.  She is buried with her Filmer family at Sts. Peter & Paul, East Sutton.  Her son John Godschalke matriculated at Oxford in 1677, age 16.  It is not known whether he married, but he, like his mother, is buried at East Sutton, and died in November 1683.

I'm thinking that Anne Godschalke, daughter and heir of Sir John, was born after her father's death, perhaps in early 1661.  If the marriage to Thomas Samwell of Upton, Northants happened after 1683, she would have indeed been her father's heir.  The referenced history of the Samwell baronet makes no mention of the marriage date.  The PCC will for Thomas Samwell of Upton is dated 1696, and there is none for Anne, suggesting that she either didn't survive him, or else remarried.  One quickly glanced Samwell descendancy on StirNet (before the warning window kicks in and makes you join or else), suggested a burial date of 1690 for Anne, wife of Thomas.

So....the best case scenario for making all the above work:  Anne Godschalke lived with her Filmer relatives until the death of her brother and heir John Godschalke Esq. in 1683, and then returned to her father's relatives in Warwickshire, where she was shortly married.  Another possiblity is that Thomas Samwell was living in London, and it was there that the match was made, as the Filmer connections in the capital were plentiful.  The burning question, then, is whether there were Godschalke relatives in Warwickshire before and during the Restoration timeframe--roughly from Charles 1 through the end of Charles II.

As a finding aid, Godschalke has been rendered as Godschalk, Godschall, Godshall, Godscall....etc.  The Flemish-born merchant dynasty of the same name--and same period--in London, is not connected....as far as I can tell.  Any help with the above is most welcome.....hopefully I have enough details to ring a bell for someone!

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Not a surname that crops up often.  John Godschalke had married Anne Filmer of East Sutton, Kent, d/o Sir Robert Filmer and Dame Anne Heton Filmer, probably around 1650.  Not sure weather she and John were married while Filmer was in London, or living at the manor in Kent.  Here, though, is where it gets interesting.  It's plain that the Godschalkes (and other variants, like "Godscall") were living in the parish of St. Martins's at the time of his death.  His will, written in 1659 and probated in November 1660, identifies him as being of the parish.  His mother is referenced, the former Elizabeth Godschalke, now Elizabeth Morton, w/o Thomas Morton.

Sir John's elevation occurred at the June honors of 1660.  From what I've learned, he was murdered at the Golden Fleece in Covent Garden sometime in November of that year.  While sources, including Samuel Pepys' "Diary" and other contemporary journals, simply notate "November" as the date of the incident, the probate of his will at the end of the month suggests sometime between November 1 to November 15.  Widow Dame Anne Godscall, as she styled herself, spent the last years of her life at the manor of East Sutton, longtime seat of the Filmers, where she was buried in February 1677/8.  Her PCC will mentions two children, Anne and John, living at the time of the writing of the will.  John Godschalke Esq. was buried at East Sutton in November 1683.

My hope is to find a burial record for Sir John, most likely dated in November 1660, with the likeliest place being St. Martin's.  I realize that their registers are held at the City of Westminster Archives, but don't seem to have been scanned yet--from printed editions--into Google Books, with the exception of a volume that cuts off at 1619.  The Godschalkes of London, Essex, etc., appear to have been traders with Dutch or German ancestry, with a variety of renderings of the surname.  I welcome any help. :)

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I'm following up a reference contained in the will of John Maynarde, d. 1557, mercer of London and briefly sheriff of London in the 1550s.  Maynarde left specific instructions about the location and inscription of his tomb in Stepney church in the course of the will.  I'm having trouble locating an online guide for memorials at St. Dunstan's, though perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place.  His will was written 5 November 1557, and proved on 23 November.  I'm guessing then that he would have died around the 20th.  Maynarde lived at the manor of Poplar, near what became the old East India Docks. 

Equally of interest would be whether his widow, Eleanor (Tuke) Maynarde was buried with him.  I don't know whether she remarried after his death, but only that she survived him.  Eleanore was a daughter of Sir Bryan Tuke, Treasurer of the Chamber for Henry VIII, and an aid to both Cardinal Wolsey and Thomas Cromwell.  John Maynarde was one of two sons-in-law named by Tuke as overseers of his will of 1545.  An odd side note:  I've not seen any posted family group sheets for Tuke that show his daughter Eleanor and her husband John Maynarde.  I descend from Tuke's daughter Mary, who married Sir Reynold Scott of Scott's Hall, Kent.

Children mentioned in John Maynarde's will include Frances, Elizabeth, and Susan.  Thanks for any help with this! :)

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Kent / Susan RAYNOR ca. 1610 nr. Faversham..who was she?
« on: Saturday 14 August 10 17:34 BST (UK)  »
This Susan RAYNOR shows up as recipient of a bequest in the will of Thomas SARE of Linstead, Kent, UK, in 1608. SARE held properties between Faversham and Linstead, including Norton, Doddington, etc. My guess is that she was either born a SARE, or else had a SARE grandparent, most likely Thomas above. Very specific area, between Canterbury and Maidstone. I descend from Susanna Sare, w/o Robert Barham, who was d/o Thomas Sare....hence my interest. Many RAYNERS/ RAYNORS in this neck of the woods in the 1400-1600 timeframe; check the online East Kent Will Index edited by M.J. and D.G. Cozens. url below:

http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/ekwills_a/series/ekp_p1/ekp_p1n_q.html
 
Anyone know who she was?  Confused me initially, as Susanna Sare Barham, d/o of Thomas Sare above, does not receive a legacy in Thomas' will, though she was very much alive.  She and Robert Barham were married in 1594/5, and she was recorded as his widow in 1633.  Again, many Raynors/ Rayners in this area at that approximate time.  She may even have been a neighbor or tenant.


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A very specific question about an Exchequer post.  My 10th gr-grandfather Robert Barham was appointed Comptroller of the Pipe Roll in 1596, and held the position at least until 1610, and quite possibly until his death in 1630.  This office was charged with gathering, copying, and issuing writs based upon various county Sheriff's tax data.  It involved an office in London, and travelling to various counties on occasion.  What I've been searching for is a published list of officeholders for this position, showing dates of service.  To date, I've found one reference via Archive.org, which is a digital scan of a publication of the Antiquarian Society in the 1860s, wherein a vellum document detailing all the royal offices of 1610 was presented to the society; Barham is shown as still holding the office.  The original appointment certificate from 1596 is available from National Archives as an orderable scan.

Documentation of royal appointments is huge, and it may be that other per-annum lists, which would include C-of the-P, have been collated.  It would seem a natural thing to have done.  Exchequer documents in particular are notoriously extensive, going back to the first pipe rolls of the Norman era.  If Robert Barham were in fact still holding this position at the time of his death, it would add an additional wrinkle to his sudden death while on a journey across country en route to Chester.  My hope is that there exists some sort of royal office almanac series, or barring that a work on the history of the Exchequer that might contain histories of specific offices with the tenures of those holding them.  Thanks for any help! :)

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Kent Lookup Requests / BARHAM BETTES GOSLING OF WATERINGBURY ca. 1575-1625
« on: Saturday 03 July 10 06:51 BST (UK)  »
I'm working with fleshing out the will of Richard Barham of Wateringbury, Kent, who died before 24 April 1601.  His marriage was alleged to be to an Elizabeth Betts or Bettes, daughter of John Betts and niece of William Bettes.  Not proven yet, but seeking lookups either in Wateringbury marriages or a parish between there and Rochester, probably ca. 1580-5. One source alleges the Betts family as of Wouldham, near Chatham. Wills for John and William Betts for Wouldham show up in the West Kent Will Index.

Also trying to ID a Henry Gosling/ Goslinge, one of the witnesses to Barham's will.  Many Goslings around Maidstone, but can't find a Henry in the B/M/D registers featured on the KFHS CD 26.  Question:  have the KFHS extracted Wateringbury yet?  I'd like to find any additional Barham references at Wateringbury, whether B/M/D.  Richard Barham's known children included a daughter Elizabeth as well as six sons, viz. William, Thomas, Richard, John, Robert, and Stephen.  Richard Barham the father is alleged to have been a clothier, but the current register scan for his Rochester Consistory Court will doesn't show this--could be problematic due to the binding roll-off during the microfilming. :-\  Richard Barham was a brother of Thomas Barham of Boughton Monchelsea, d. 1595, and both were sons of John Berham of Wadhurst, E. Sussex, d. 1555.

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