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Mayo / Patrick Cain or Kane of Newport, Mayo - is Kilmore in Burrishoole?

« on: Wednesday 08 August 18 22:39 BST (UK) »

Dear all,
This is (I think) my first post to the Mayo Board.
I am in a youth hostel in Mayo with very poor phone signal but am hoping to have a little drive around the “lands of my fathers” before I leave Mayo in 4 days time. I’m trying to use my iPhone but the Griffith valuation maps won’t work.
So:
I have an ancestor called Patrick Kane or Cain or Caine, who was born in about 1810-1816. He once gave his place of birth on the UK Census as Newport Mayo. His marriage certificate gave his father’s name as James.
In 1851 he was a 40 year old widower when he married a 19 year old widow Winifred Lavell, formerly Macnamara from Longford, Mayo. They eventually ended up in Sunderland, but only after their daughter Mary was born, also in 1851. The witness was Honor Cain, whom I have never been able to find again.
The tithe applotments and Griffith Valuation have a Pat cain living in 1832 in Kilmore Cain in Burrishoole Parish. Kilmore seems to be divided up by surname (there is also kilmore Coyne, where the Coynes are and Kilmore Kelly, Kilmore Nolan, etc). They are clearly in Burrishoole parish on the Griffith and Tithe records.
Is his Kilmore different from the Kilmore in Mayo, which doesn’t seem to be in Burrishool parish? It seems to me it is Burrishool parish I should be looking for, since he specified Newport and there is a Pat Cain there (and a James on Griffith). Does anyone know where Kilmore in Burrishoole is, so I could go and have a look at it? Might there be an Irish name?

Also, can anyone find any info on his first marriage (or any others) - I can’t find anything in Liverpool, but he is 40 and a widower, so i assume he might have married in Burrishoole. I have searched on and off for some time but can’t find anything.

I’d be so grateful for your help.
If I end up going to Burrishool I’d be pleased to take photos.

Best wishes,
Clarrie

Ireland / What information does a research copy cert give?

« on: Sunday 31 July 16 22:19 BST (UK) »

Dear all,

I need a boat load of Irish certificates, all of them old and unavailable online, although I have dates of marriages, deaths, etc. I've read you can get research certificates that are photocopies and much cheaper.

Are they a copy of the original certificate information, including witnesses, informants, etc, or do they give less information than a full copy of the certificate?

Is it best to get them in person in Dublin? I'm hoping to visit sometime this year. Has anyone tried this? How many days do you have to wait? I don't need to search for the information, just to fill in the forms and (hopefully) collect copies.

Many thanks and apologies if this information is on a thread elsewhere,

Clarrie

Donegal / Is there somewhere called Northall in Donegal?

« on: Thursday 14 April 16 22:56 BST (UK) »

Dear all,

This is my first post to the Donegal board.

I am looking at some people on the 1851 UK census who may be related to me. Their name is Doherty and the census says the man is from Ireland, Donegall and the woman from Ireland, and then it says something that looks like Northall.

Is or was there somewhere in Donegal called Northall or something similar?

Many thanks,

Clarrie

Wexford / Ardamine Parish Records

« on: Saturday 15 August 15 22:12 BST (UK) »

Dear all,

Before I expend a lot of effort to no avail, could I please ask you all a question:

I want to research my Catholic ancestors from Courtown, Middletown and Ardamine on the new records online at the National Library of Ireland. Looking at their map they have records for Gorey and for Ballygarrett. Does that mean they don't have record for Ardamine? Or have I got it wrong? Does Ardamine only refer to the Church of Ireland parish?

I don't want to spend days going through the wrong records.

My recent relatives (deaths from the 1940s onwards) are all in the Catholic bit of the graveyard just at the end of Wafer's borough/Kenny's borough next to the Church of Ireland church, which I guess is Middletown. The church everyone went to was Star of the Sea in Riverchapel. I understand that it was built in the 1880s. I also understand that the NLI records stop in 1880.

Can anyone set me on the right path? I'd be very grateful.

Best wishes,
Clarrie

Wicklow / Ryan/Irwin/Toole/Brien Knockanarrigan/Glen of Imaal area, Wicklow

« on: Sunday 05 July 15 23:29 BST (UK) »

Dear all,

This is my first Wicklow post.

My Great Grandparents, Francis Ryan and Brigid Irwin came from Talbotstown (Eadestown) and Knockanarrigan respectively. Their parents were Michael Ryan and Mary Toole and John Irwin and Mary Brien. I have records relating to Francis and Brigid and have seen the census returns.

Any suggestions on where to go for information further back? They all seem to have been baptised and married in Dunlavin. How does it work with the heritage centre? Do I have to go in person, should I call, email?

Many thanks,
Clarrie

Mayo / MacNamara, Kane, Lavell

« on: Friday 26 June 15 00:10 BST (UK) »

Dear all,

This is my first Mayo post!

My Ancestor Winifred Macnamara from Longford, Mayo near Crossmolina married Patrick Kane/Cain from Newport Mayo in Liverpool in 1852. He was a forty year old widower (his age varied wildly over the years) and she was a nineteen year old widow. Her first husband had had the surname Lavell. Both Winifred and Patrick's fathers were called James. They later moved to Sunderland. I think Patrick also had a sister called Honor or Nora.
Could anyone tell me which churches might have records on them (unlikely, I know). I am particularly keen to find out about the Lavell connection. They were already in England by the time of the Griffith Valuation.
Any other suggestions?
Many thanks,
Clarrie

Lancashire / Kane, Lavell and Macnamara, Liverpool

« on: Monday 06 April 15 21:01 BST (UK) »

Dear all,
This is my first Lancashire post. I am trying to trace my Irish ancestors Patrick and Winifred Kane (Caine/Cain).

They married in Liverpool in the fourth quarter of 1852; he was Patrick son of James, in his thirties, she was 19 year old Winifred Lavell, nee Macnamara, daughter of James. I think it was also a second marriage for him. He was from Newport, Mayo. In various censuses she claims to be from Mayo or "Logford". They ended up in Sunderland eventually.

Can anyone find either of them on the 1851 census? I've tried and can't find anything. I've sent off for their marriage certificate.

Their first daughter Mary Kane was also born in Liverpool in 1852, either before or just after they married. I am wondering whether she was really Mary Lavell. I don't know how long either James or Winifred were widowed but would like to find out.

Are there any Liverpool records I can search to find out more without speculatively ordering a multitude of birth certificates and hoping one is right (obviously, I can't do this - I already have one dud, purchased some time ago).
Many thanks for any suggestions or advice.

Clarrie

Durham / Angels with Smiling Faces - Monkwearmouth Ropery

« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 18:37 GMT (UK) »

Dear all,
I understand that Monkwearmouth Local History Group once published a book about the Monkwearmoith Ropery called "Angels with Smiling Faces". I'd love to get hold of a copy. There is a copy on Amazon for £30 but that's a bit steep, and anyway I'd rather support the group. Is anyone a member? Do they still sell it? Where do they meet now that Monkwearmouth Library has gone?

Any information gratefully received.

Best wishes,

Clarrie

Durham Lookup Requests / McAllisters and Conlons, Monkwearmouth 1871

« on: Sunday 22 March 15 17:09 GMT (UK) »

Dear all,
I'm searching for Patrick and Ann McAllister and their daughter Mary Jane (all born in Ireland) and her husband Thomas Conlon (born Sunderland). In 1881 they were in Lawson's Court and in subsequent censuses were in Dixon's Square. I can't find any of them in 1871.
Thomas is not the Thomas Conlon from Newbottle. I don't think he's from the family headed by Smithy (Timothy) Conlon in Co Durham either.

Any suggestions? I've been looking for years. Many thanks,

Clarrie