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Kent / East Sutton COOK records mid 1700's
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 13:28 GMT (UK)  »
Observation- there is no batch reference on Family Search for this parish.
Unfortunately there is no one data base covering the surrounding parishes that might ordinarily help in finding people moving around.
There are three baptisms associated with William COOK and Dorothy HAMMOND who married in 2 March 1735( corrected)
John 30 Jan 1736  in East Sutton
Elizabeth 12 Nov I738 in  Chart Sutton
Dorothy 2 Jan 1742  In East Sutton
Does the PR of the marriage indicate the status of both bride and groom?
There is also earlier baptisms with parents William and Mary ( possibly Mary   WEEKS m in Aylesford 1731)
Anne 1 Apr 1732 in East Sutton
Elizabeth 1 Apr 1732 in East Sutton
Are these children described as twins ?
John 27 Mar 1733  in East Sutton
Anne 4 Jan  1735 in East Sutton
Are there any burial records of either Mary  or the two children that might suggest this is the same William.
A further baptism of an Ann  17 May 1741 in East Sutton is transcribed with parents William and Sarah, but it is not clear whether this is a PR or possibly a mis transcribed AT or BT record fir the mother.
A much earlier baptism of a William 1702 seems likely to be one of if not the William COOK.
Is this the complete list of COOK's from the East Sutton area.?
A Dorothy COOK and Thomas BURDEN are understood to witnesses at a marriage of Ann COOK in 1766, Believed to be the Ann COOK bapt 1741, A Dorothy COOK and Thomas BURDEN married In 1767, possibly indicating a close family relationship, adding some doubt to the mother of Ann being recorded as Sarah.


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Surrey / COOK family in Southwark 1743 onwards
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 22:33 GMT (UK)  »
John COOK married Martha AVIS in St John Horsleydown, Southwark 4th Aug 1743.
Certainly 2 but probably 3 children are identified as their children baptised In the same or adjacent  parish, but the first child almost 5 years after their marriage , and a gap 1752 to 1761.
For both early bapts John 's occupation is detailed as plaisterer, ( no identified Guild record yet)
Daughter Avis on 14th April 1748, buried 11th June  1748.
John Robert 1st July 1750.
Possibly Martha Mary 15 June 1763, St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, Southwark, Surrey, England, abode Holly, but occupation Porter.
There are baptisms for another 3  children to a John and Martha in this general area, that are probably not the same couple, but a John COOK and Martha PRYKE married 12 May 1759 in Holborn
Elizabeth Skelton 29th Aug 1759, father is John (elder) St Paul, Shadwell, Tower Hamlets, no occ for father.
Esther 25 Dec 1760,  St James, Clerkenwell
Elizabeth 12 Feb 1767 St George the Martyr, Queen Square, Camden, Middlesex.
The main question is what adjacent or close parishes are not currently covered on the main Genealogy sites as searchable records.
This might allow those parishes to be targetted and checked for additional siblings.
It is possible that John and Martha migrated, and specifically to Kent. The occurrence of the name Avis as a forename in a COOK family in Kent might be a link, and is the catalyst for this family to be researched as potential ancestors . A previous posting of COOK in Brasted Kent is part of the overall research.
Martha's AVIS family appears to be identified in St Olave, but is not the intended target for this post.
If current records on line  are anywhere near complete, it would seem that Martha'' parents , Robert ( occ baker) and Mary married in Withyham, Sussex, before migrating to Surrey, this seems plausible as Robert and Mary don't appear to feature in baptisms in Sussex after their marriage.





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Kent / Brasted baptisms circa 1797 for COOK
« on: Wednesday 21 February 24 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
Carrying on my research of COOK /COOKE families specifically in Maidstone ,Chatham and Gillingham but also this region of Kent.
Thomas COOK and part of his family are found in  Seal near Sevenoaks in 1851.
Piece1613
Folio29
Page number19

Thomas Cook 54
Susanna Cook 54
Elizabeth Cook 32
Ann Cook 16
Maria Allen 5
Thomas declares his birth place transcribed as Bestler but thought to be Brasted aged 54 i . Married in Seal near Sevenoaks 18th October 1817 to Susan Ellis  HOLMDEN
Other known children include
Avis COOK b 1823
Harriet COOK b 1838.
Do the Brasted baptism records 1780-1810 indicate a Thomas or any COOK families? A Sarah b 1804 is possibly a sister, not sure if a 1786 record for a William is a brother.

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Kent / Eliza Cooke born Kent circa 1799
« on: Thursday 28 December 23 21:55 GMT (UK)  »
Eliza COOKE was probably born in Kent to a John and Ann. Eliza is believed to have had a sister Sophia who married in Isfield on Xmas day  1820 to Jacob WELLS when she is a named as a witness. She later married Francis WELCH in Isfield on 17 Dec 1822 and had a family of 8 children. In 1841 she is with the family in Frant, Sussex, declaring she was not born in Sussex. Sophia Cooke was baptised in Loose in 1803 to John and Ann Cooke. No  obvious marriage entry for John and Ann has been identified.
Eliza''s baptism was not in Chartham, because it is a different John and Ann COOK/COOKE.
Eliza's death has not been proven, but is thought to be the North Aylesford registered death in 1848, where the age was declared as 49. Francis WELCH occupation was a woolstapler, and Jacob WELLS a paper maker, who had worked in the Maidstone area, and his family had also been in Maidstone as he travelled around the home conties at various paper Mills. His and his wife Sophia's where abouts at all census entries has been found, and there is no indication of any clue to the COOKE family.
So the question, is whether there is a likely baptism of Eliza COOKE/COOK 1798/9 in Kent, whether there may be additional siblings, and of any John COOKE to Ann marriages.
Questions we have considered, was John COOKE involved in papermaking as well. The proximity of the Maidstone Mills certainly the reason for Sophia's husband being there.
I have been looking at the occurrence of a Maria COOK  bborn circa 1800 marrying a John MORRIS in Goudhurst , as a feasible sibling, They had a daughter Sophia in 1828, her birth place declared as Maidstone in census entries.
We do have 2 DNA links to daughters of Eliza to the WELLS descendants of Sophia .


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Australia / John HYMAS b Essex England circa 1787
« on: Saturday 21 October 23 19:21 BST (UK)  »
It is likely, but not certain that John HYMAS who married Elizabeth SWANN in Eastwood Essex on  5th Sept 1815..He was convicted aged 50, and sentence to 7years for larceny as a servant at Essex assizes 23 May 1837.
The record of two of his sons baptisms in 16th July 1837 in Thundersley refers to father John late transported.
Details of o John HYMAS of unspecified age who was transported to NSW for 7 years arriving 7th Aug 1838 , appears to be a possible match. The ship had sailed 1st Apr 1838.so if this is him, he had remained in England after his conviction for just over a year.
Detail of the ships voyage on the ship Lord Lyndoch refer to 330 males, with 19 deaths during the journey, and a also revert an accident when 11 passengers were badly scolded, with 119 requiring hospital treatment in Sydney.
Are there possibly any other records from Australia that expand kn theses details, to know John's fate.
It is believed he had 4 children, his wife Elizabeth dieing in 1851, described as a pauper in the 1851 census.
Son Fredrick b1833 believed to have married Mahala Shepherd, other Children David b 1823, not identified after his bapt, similarly earlier children John and Elizabeth, still  under research.
These HYMAS's are thought be part of my extended family from earlier generations, so possible having a DNA link to descendants.

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Suffolk / William ROBERTS wool comber
« on: Sunday 27 August 23 18:00 BST (UK)  »
A William ROBERTS with wife Frances is detailed on a Quaker marriage entry from Norwich on 7th Jul 1761 as the parents of Thomas.
This post is specifically to enquire if there are any records of these ROBERTS, in Mildenhall that might tie up with this record, because Mildenhall is detailed as the abode of Thomas's parents. The information regarding Thomas's family in Norwich is already known. They had at least 6 children all with Quaker birth records, some of them even detailing the midwife. The names of the children might have some relevance when identifying siblings or marriage, they are John, Elizabeth, William, Mary, Susanna, and, Anne.
Thomas married a Susanna BREWER. Thomas was also a wool comber.
Son Thomas's age is unclear, the quaker marriage entry says with the consent of parents, whether this is a standard quaker phrase in their marriage entry is not understood. So he could have been born as late as 1750's, but could be much earlier.
Whether Thomas was born in Suffolk as well,  is unknown. The ROBERTS may have come from anywhere.


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Kent / George Langridge b circa 1790 d 1837 DNA links
« on: Sunday 31 October 21 12:36 GMT (UK)  »
George Langridge who died in 1837, was buried in Edenbridge 29th June 1837 aged 49. Unfortunately just before the introduction of the GRO registration era, that might have contained some useful information.
Almost certainly he was married 9h April 1815 to Elizabeth HIDER/HIDDER/HILDER. Now believed to be Elizabeth FIELDER, who was probably bapt before her mother Sarah married William FIELDER in
Edenbridge 1795. George and Elizabeth thought to have had 8 children 1815 to 1835, the first child my ancestor Mary Ann who narried Edward JEFFERY in Edenbridge 24th March 1849. Her father described as a Labourer.
Elizabeth Langridge , George's wife ( widow)  was bequeathed £20  in 1839 by Thomas LANGRIDGE of Beckenham, who was buried in Edenbridge. Thomas was 85,  so born circa 1753 and it is likely that he was related to George ,
Probably an uncle.
At the moment it is unclear precisely who George' s parents were, and there are several baptism records that could be him circa 1788-1791.
We have DNA Links with quite a few people with Langridge families in this general area and era. I am looking to establish contact with Langridge researchers,  as some of the links to earlier postings by other researchers  regarding  Langridges in the home counties are broken.
This posting is aimed at re- establishing a current link, with researchers also using DNA results with proven Langridge ancestors.
This is an interesting journey, with recent research of the Derbyshire Langridges appearing to originate from Kent, and involved in coaches, with a similar trend in London for a coach related occupation in the early  to mid 1800's.
There are also a handful of Kent wills with Langridges appearing to be linked with the Family of the Thomas who died in 1839.

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Sussex Lookup Requests / HILDER family - Sussex, Kent area
« on: Wednesday 11 August 21 20:51 BST (UK)  »
I am currently researching the HILDER families in and around  the Kent Sussex Surrey Borderlands 1700 - 1850 .the Sarah HILDER  I am  looking for was born circa 1770,
Married a William FIELDER in Edenbridge 23 rd April 1795.
They have a family of atleast 4 children William 1795, Louisa 1802, Harriet 1805, Charlotte 1808 and suspect and earlier Elizabeth.
There is clearly a fairly wealthy farming family of HILDERS  in this region  with several very useful wills 1795 - 1828.
I have several Sarah HILDERS born in Sussex, but none if them seem likely candidate's. Kent records appear to be a possible source of  information, but nothing positive  has come to light.



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Kent Lookup Requests / Edward Green JEFFERY b Westerham 1819
« on: Friday 11 June 21 17:48 BST (UK)  »
Edward Green JEFFERY the illegitimate son of Sarah JEFFERY was baptised 13th June 1819  in Westerham, Kent
Does anyone know if there are any bastardy records from this era, that might help with identifying the father.
It is suspected that an Edward GREEN, b 1797 possibly later marrying in Chevening to Elizabeth BURR, might be a candidate. He is described in 1841, 1851, 1861 as a tailor.
Edward probably born in Westerham 1797, baptised 15th Oct 1797 to William GREEN and Jane PAIGE

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