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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Brameld Family - South Yorkshire

« on: Thursday 19 October 23 17:21 BST (UK) »

Hi,

I'm trying to trace the birth record for Henry Brameld, born c1823 (spelling of Brameld has been variable throughout)

He married Jane Wilson in 1846 in Rawmarsh, South Yorkshire and lived there until his death in 1897. His father was stated as Thomas Brameld on his marriage certificate.

All the census records from 1851 onwards, consistenly show his birthplace as Staffordshire, with some showing Penkhull as well. He is also shown as a cordwainer/shoemaker throughout each census. I cannot however, find any record relating to his birth.

I've tried looking for him in 1841 and I believe he is in Rotherham. I have found a household on the same street as he lived on another census, with a Henry Brameld b.1826 (presumably rounded with the 1841 census) living with Abraham and Mary Brameld. Abraham shows as a shoemaker and Henry as apprentice. Possibly a coincidence, as his father is stated as Thomas on other records. It doesn't give their relationship though and Abraham is much older.

There are also records from the same village for children born to John Brameld, Shoemaker, in the 1760's. It feels like the same family, but I just cant tie it together with a birth in Staffordshire in 1823?

I'm hoping I can use any information, to link Henry to other Bramelds living close by, who owned the world famous Rockingham Pottery around the same time and supplied the royal family.

Fingers crossed I have something interesting, rather than farmers and agricultural labourers.

Thanks

Armed Forces / John Turner, Royal Marines

« on: Thursday 05 October 23 16:22 BST (UK) »

Hi,
I'm trying to trace where and when one of my ancestors, John Turner was born. On the birth's of two of his children and on his marriage record, it states that he was a Sergeant in the Royal Marines, but I'm not very clued up on how to search military records. Hopefully somebody may be able to help

He was married in York, Yorkshire in 1807 to Agnes Shaw, the record for which said he was a Sergeant.
On the birth of his child Ann in 1810, it stated his occupation as Gunsmith.
On the births of Betty (1811) and Mary (1814) it showed him as Sergeant in the Marines again.
His next child in 1815 and every one after that showed him as a publican, so he must have been discharged around 1814/15
All his children were born in York, so that must have been his normal place of residence.
Unfortunately, it looks like he died prior to the 1841 census, as his wife appears, but he doesn't, so I can't find a place / date of birth.
I'd guess it's somewhere arounn 1785, as that is when Agnes was born.

Hopefully that makes sense
Thanks

Yorkshire (West Riding) / Ann Millns Yorkshire/Nottinghamshire

« on: Friday 29 September 23 13:06 BST (UK) »

Hi all,

I'm looking for anything that might help with confirmation on info that I have on an Ann Millns, born around 1824.

My direct line has Abraham Jackson marrying Ann Millns in Rotherham, July 1853. His age was 33 (1820) and hers 29 (1824).

Both Abraham and Ann's residence was shown as Masbro (small place very close to Rotherham). Ann's father was given as Thomas Milnes, a labourer.

Later census information lists Ann's place of birth as Carlton, Nottinghamshire (I think probably Carlton in Lindrick). I can find one person of that name, but the baptism is 1822, with father Thomas and mother Hannah.

Thomas and Hannah were living in Harworth in 1841 and then Tickhill in 1851. Ann was not in their household in 1841 or 1851, leading up to her marriage in 1853.

I need to try and confirm that Ann did come from those parents / that family. Whilst her father's occupation on the 1851 census is 'Ag Labourer', the birth/baptism record is a couple of year's out.

It would have helped if Ann would have been with them in 1851.

Nottinghamshire / Kirk Family North Notts

« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 21:53 GMT (UK) »

Hi, this is a long shot more than likely, but I'm researching part of my family that I haven't been able to solve for a while.

I have traced my mother's side up the paternal leg and have an ancestor I'm pretty sure about, William Kirk born 20 Jan 1766 in Clayworth, Nottinghamshire. He married Sarah Ollivant 2 Oct 1788 also in Clayworth. On the parish records his parents are listed and Jonathan and Ann.

This is where I come to a halt. I cannot find a marriage that matches those two. I can however find a marriage between and Jonathan Kirk and Mary Stoker in 1755. There are numerous children born in Clayworth around that time and weirdly, none of them overlap, nor do any of the names repeat (other than where there has been an infant death). I'm wondering whether Ann and Mary are in fact the same person, but shown different on parish records. In succession;

Marriage of Jonathan to Mary Stoker 1755
Births, all Clayworth;
Elizabeth (Feb 1756) Mother Mary
John (May 1758) Mother Ann
Thomas (Feb 1760) Mother Ann
Jonathan (Dec 1760) Mother Ann
Mary (Nov 1762) Mother Ann (died within 5 days of birth)
Sarah (Oct 1763) Mother Mary
William (Jan 1766) Mother Ann
Ann (Apr 1768) Mother Mary
George (Oct 1770) Mother Ann
Robert (Sep 1772) Mother Mary
Mary (Mar 1775) Mother Ann

I cannot find anything to prove or disprove that these are indeed all siblings.

Clayworth is a very small village and right from the time of these births up until the late 1800's, the family didn't move far at all, only to the surrounding villages.

There seems to be a death record for a Jonathan that fits, that puts his estimated birth at 1723, which would mean he'd be 52 at the last birth.

If anyone has any info, it would be much appreciated

Travelling People / Cambridge Grounds, Sheffield

« on: Tuesday 05 January 21 11:14 GMT (UK) »

Does anyone have any information about which families frequented the Cambridge Grounds in Sheffield.

I've seen from other sources that there was a large travellers site in the Owlerton area of Sheffield called Cambridge Grounds (named as such because it was behind the Cambridge Hotel). There were even aerial pictures of Hillsbrough Barracks that showed part of the travellers site in one corner.

What I'm struggling to find is any info about the families that lived there.

Travelling People / Potential Travellers - Rogers

« on: Sunday 03 January 21 23:19 GMT (UK) »

Whilst researching my wife's tree we were initially stuck at the fact that an ancestor was seemingly missing from the 1911 census when she should really be on it, being born in 1903.

Having searched through records we finally came across both her marriage record and her birth record. Both listed her name as Doris Rogers Huteson.

On her birth certificate in the Sheffield records, her forenames were listed as Doris Rogers, with Huteson her surname, but no father was listed. Her mother was named as Annie. We assumed that the father was not known.

However, when looking at the marriage certificate to William Jennings Naylor, her father was listed as Joseph Rogers, with his occupation being shown as 'Traveller'.

In addition to Doris on 1903, there was also as Joseph Rogers Huteson in 1905, so clearly if the father was travelling so to speak, he must have returned.

I cannot find Doris or Joseph on the 1911 census, certainly not under Huteson anyway (Annie seems to appear in Lincoln under Hutson, but without the kids). None of the Rogers entries seem to fit either. I can only assume they were of no fixed abode and part of the travelling community until Doris came back to be married in the 1920's.

Prior to Doris being born, the 1901 census has Annie living and working at the Barrell Inn pub in Sheffield, so possibly was there when she conceived Doris.

If anyone has any information it would help massively.

Yorkshire (West Riding) / Langbridge / Naylor Family 1800's

« on: Sunday 03 January 21 22:50 GMT (UK) »

Hi all,

I'm trying to unpick the reason why an ancestor appeared to change his surname. I know there can be a few reasons, but this one I can't work out.

Squire Langbridge born c1845 in Wakefield, Yorkshire (Father James, Mother Ann) appears on both the 1851 and 1861 census as Langbridge, then he disappears.

In 1871, a Squire Naylor appears in Sheffield with the same rough birth year, same birthplace, same occupation and on his marriage certificate to Sarah Maria Brooker in 1871 it lists his father as James (though it says James Naylor instead of Langbridge). James looks to have died somewhere between the 1861 and 1871 census.

At first I thought it was just a massive coincidence, but when I look at the Langbridge household in 1841, its as follows

York St, Leeds
James Langbridge Age 30 1811
Ann Langbridge Age 25 1816
George Langbridge Age 4 1837
Maria Langbridge Age 2 1839
Sarah Naylor Age 25 1816
Mary Naylor Age 0 1841
Emma Brooke Age 20 1821

This takes away some of the doubt that its a coincidence, with the two Naylors in that household 4 years before Squire arrives.

What I can't find is, who is the Ann that is shown as Langbridge? I cannot find a marriage record. If her maiden name was Naylor, it would sort of explain things a bit. Could Ann and Sarah be sisters? Still puzzling as to why Squire would ditch his fathers name after his death.

Any help welcome, as I'm going round in circles with it.

Thanks

Lancashire / Tomlinson's Cartmel

« on: Thursday 03 November 11 20:00 GMT (UK) »

I am currently researching Tomlinson's in Cumberland but prior to that NW Lancashire. George Tomlinson born 1801 Cartmel is a direct ancestor, but I do not have any information about his parents or siblings (or anything before that)

I know that there are more Tomlinson's born in Cartmel around that time but as yet, cannot link them together

If you have anything that may help, please let me know.

Cheers

Gareth

Cumberland / Tomlinson/Graham Whitehaven

« on: Friday 25 March 11 19:13 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

I currently have some information on family members but I am one generation short of finding them on the 1911 census (theyre on it but not sure which ones)

My ancestor is James G Tomlinson born 1918 in Whitehaven (source BMD)

His parents are John Tomlinson and Annie Graham, who married in 1911, but crucially, after the census date so they appear seperate i think. Annie died in 1921 and John then remarried Emily Hodgson later that year.

Annie's age at death was given at 30 which would mean she was born 1891ish

The problem I am having is that the BMD records do not state the subdistrict/town and only give 'Whitehaven' so I am unable to confirm that i have found them on the census

My gut feel is that the John Tomlinson born 1892 and living at Main Street Fisher's Back Row, Parton in 1901 is probably the one im looking for, as I can find an Annie Graham (1891) also living in Parton at Drift Mouth, Main Street.

Can anyone confirm that information please. There seems to be a fair few Tomlinson's and Graham's living in Whitehaven with the same names and similar birth years.

Thanks

Gaz