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Hi all,

sorry to post another picture so soon, but this was just sent to me....

My dad is good a repairing photos. he is not good enough for this. It has just been sent to me by my great uncle. (who can use a computer!!!!!) it is even scanned at 600dpi!

is there any hope whatso ever. My great uncle is the smallest baby.

the missing face looks sort of like the older girl  (although i excpect no miracles)

Any thing you can do would be appreciated. It is one of the few photos that he has of the siblings together.

Hi everyone,

QUESTION ONE: I Am hoping for some advice over the date this photo was taken

QUESTION TWO (the long shot question) perhaps some possible ages of some of the unknown members of this family (all look a bit nutty dont they) I have included the DOB of the people i know so that might help with the dating.

BACK:
1)Harry Ketley DOB 1882
  2)UNKNown
 3) Unknown
4) unknown
 5) unknow
6) Florence ketley nee patrick DOB 1888 Married to (1)
7) Albert Ketley DOB 1916 son of (1) and (6)    EDITED DATE TO 1916
Maud Patrick DOB 1892  sister of (6)

FRONT: All unknown

The final aim of this excersise is to see if i can work out who all the people are!! this is apparantly a gathering of the ketley and patrick familly (mostly patrick) that is all i know. i'm hoping to try and match some of the ages you may be able to give me with other family members and earlier and later photos. I have been working on this for hours today :-)

any clues greatly appreciated i am hopeless at guessing ages.

Regards
Constance

let me know if you need a lookup

 

Well,

The bombshell was dropped today!! i was told there was a black sheep in the family and my gosh was i right. My nana really hated her mother in law and wouldn't talk about her. Now really this isn't an abnormal thing. Most people understand the dislike of the inlaws...it's very common. But apparantly there was something that made her shut up about them that she did not like and would not talk about.

here is the story: her mother in law's uncle was a MURDERER and covicted and sentenced to death at the OLD BAILEY in good ole London. where apparantly he got released in 1901 (he wasn't killed because he had epilepsy?) very wierd. i don't think an epileptic fit is going to make you chop someone's head off with a kitchen knife.....

a loverly Patrick relative (thanks Chris :-) ) has just sent me the details. (see below)


Questions:
ONE:
i was under the impression it was very hard to avoid being hung for murder in 1885. I did not think they were particularily happy with it. I was suprised to read he was downgraded to life in prison and let out 16 years later!! from PARKHURST prison.

TWO
Any clues on the social stigma this would have attached at the time?? i mean this is the time where anyone from even the lower middle classes would try as hard as they could to avoid social scandal right!! they must have done alright at one point as they had a servant in 1871 census. they can't have been totally down and out.


THREE:
where does one go to get the newspapers and print out copies of the paper. Online (doubtful) but hopefully in a records office somewhere???


I would really love to go and see the newspaper in question. I live in australia but we are going to Europe in 4 weeks and i would love to go and visit the old bailey and find the actual newspaper.

Terribly morbid of me, and yest i feel terrible bad for the poor girls family, but my mother has been curious for over 25 years. As when i was born Patrick was going to be a reccomended name (if i was a boy) but nana clammed up and got all peculiar about the name. From then on she refused to talk about it and said "nasty things in that family" but really i guess that could have been the ramblings of an old woman :-)

i have inherited her skill 


This is what i was sent (it made my day to see this that is for sure)
transscriptions:                                                                                                         

Drink and Murder – Yesterday afternoon a brutal murder took place in
Ettrick-street, Bromley-by-Bow. Harry Patrick, a cook, living at 34,
Buxton Terrace, Bond’s Road, Canning Town, it seems, had been keeping
company with a woman named Rachel Bailey, an unfortunate living at
Ettrick-street. During the whole of yesterday, both Patrick and Bailey
had been drinking. Later on a quarrel arose between them. It is stated
that Patrick then picked up a knife, and with it, deliberately cut her
throat, almost severing the head from the body. A doctor, at once sent
for, pronounced life to be extinct, and the body was afterward removed
to Poplar Mortuary. Patrick was charged at the Thames Police Court to-
day with wilful murder of the woman, and was remanded. Pall Mall
Gazette, Nov 21 1885



LIFE PRISONER SET FREE
The King, on the recommendation of the Home Secretary, has granted the
immediate release from Parkhurst Prison of Harry Patrick, who was
sentenced to death at the Old Bailey, in Dec 1885, a sentence afterward
commuted to penal servitude for life. Patrick’s victim was a domestic
servant named Rachel Bailey and the crime was committed in a house in
Ettrick-street, Bromley. Lord Brompton (then Mr Justice Hawkins) was
the judge, and the recorder for London (Sir Forrest Fulton) conducted
the defence. The contention was that Patrick, being subject to
epileptic fits, was not responsible for his actions, and while the
trial was proceeding, and again when sentence of death was passed, he
was seized with a fit. At the time of his trial Patrick was 24 years of
age.
News of the World 5th May 1901   


Here is the link to my site with the photo of Florence (the evil grandmama) (so very very very cute) and below is a large photo of 14 very strange people (the other patricks... wonder if one of THEM is a murderer,....

http://ketleyfamilytree.rootschat.net/ketleyphotopage.htm


sarah