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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Looking for help reading part of an account

« on: Monday 03 April 23 03:51 BST (UK) »

Hello All,

Wondering if someone could help me in transcribing part of a 1638 account for a Henry Fricker of Nippred, Tisbury, Wiltshire (full account available on ancestry Wiltshire wills) and help work out what the wages may have been for?.

From what I can understand it is as follows:
Item paid by this accountant for wages due unto the * * * folkes which he hired and * * * * all somes of money followinge * by * * * by and of his (?) * Viz.

The above is then followed by a list of 16 people and amounts. If not mentioned what the wages are for in the account, would any know of a reason why a person would owe wages to 16 people?

I assume based on other wills of the family that Henry was a yeoman, so 16 people seems a little excessive unless the land held was large and required that many to work.

From what I have read, Nippred was a manorial estate/farmstead between Fonthill Gifford and Tisbury that is now lost. I assume the lands mentioned as 'certain grounds held and rented' from Lord Cottington (owner of Fonthill Gifford) in the account was the or part of the Nippred estate.

How large do people think on their experience of the time the land would be if rent owed (according to the account) was over 110 pounds or, was this amount due for a period of time, say over many years (not sure if rent is paid back then weekly, monthly or yearly)? I know he did pay rent of 12d for a copyhold tenement/cottage in nearby ridge until surrendered in 1622.

Thanks for the help,
Drayke

Armed Forces / Identification of Military awards

« on: Friday 04 March 22 10:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi All,

Is it possible for some help to identify a medal shown in this B&W newspaper photo from 1940 of my great grand uncle Lt Col. Reginald Danbury Davies. Unfortunately looks like some medals are cut off.

I know he received the DSO 3 times in WW1 (served commander of the 44th Canadian Bat.) which I assume is the first medal. I also assume Boer war medals are the next 2 medals after the DSO and would be the queen and king medals with clasps (no idea as to what clasps or the number as I cant find his Boer war records other than a service record of him deserting in 1904 and a census record showing him as an infantry corporal which goes against the service record found of him being in the household cavalry from 1901 as a trooper).

The medal after that is the one I am unsure of as it seems to be between the Boer war medals and WW1 medals and is the medal I need identifying. Is this perhaps The Territorial Force War Medal based on the ribbon lines?

I know the other medals are the WW1 medals such as the victory medal with oak leaves (mentioned in dispatches 6 times) which is the last medal visible and assume the medal to its left is the British War medal. He seems to have another medal to the right of the victory medal but it is cut off so no idea what it would be and Canadian records only show the DSO and the 2 usual WW1 medals and given the photo is circa 1940 no ww2 medals were awarded yet.

Other than the above medal identification, how reliable do people find newspaper articles for researching people as far as military experience goes?

I ask, as from other newspaper articles (1946 and after) he is mentioned as being awarded during WW2 the OBE and Legion of Honour (by de Gaulle for services to the allied nations) but not sure when he received these or if he received them at all as I cant find any evidence of those either in the gazettes.

From what I can gather from the articles, experience wise, he joined the Boer war at 16 (evidence I have found shows 18 and a deserter), served in WW1, 44th Canadian Infantry (true), was a spy between wars (no idea as dont know where to look for such evidence) and was a high ranking member/advisor of the Ministry of Information during WW2 (was in MOI but not sure on how high up).

I have found many errors with this individual through the newspaper articles and his obituary so not to sure what to believe such as one where he is mentioned as being the great grandson of a Sir Alexander Rhys Davies a railway pioneer in USA and Egypt yet cant find any such person.

Anyway thanks in advance for the help.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Latin translation of Admins of Harris and Sweetapple

« on: Sunday 06 February 22 03:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi all. I am looking for some help in translating these two admins from Latin. Any help in this would be appreciated. Thanks.

Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Coat of Arms Inheritance and grants

« on: Friday 04 June 21 17:30 BST (UK) »

Hi All,

I have a situation which I need clarification on and hope someone can help and hopefully wont be confusing.

In my ancestry I have a situation where arms were granted to an individual in c1010 (Argent, three lions passant in pale gules) which according to Harleian MS's passed in direct decent (in c1425) to a male decent (PERSON A) who married an armorial heiress (Ermine, a lion rampt. sable, in a border gules, charged with eight bezants) and by jure uxoris took on the estate of his wife.

I understand this means that the son of this person and the descendants could use "1st .argent, three lions passant in pale gules; 2, ermine, a lion rampant sable in a border gules charged with eight bezants" of which is used by latter descendants it seems (eldest line great grandson of the below mentioned Person B) of which that line became extinct.

The issue is as follows the great grandson (PERSON B) of PERSON A has the following arms: "Quarterly 1 & 4, ermine, a lion rampant sable in a border gules charged with eight annulets ar.; 2 & 3, Party per bend sinister ermine and ermines, a lion rampant or.". This descendant didn't marry an heiress nor did his father or grandfather. Would these arms then be considered a difference despite being the first son? There is a possibility the other arms are from a line further back perhaps. Could it also be used with another quartering for the arms of the individual from c1010?

Lastly, if a person (a grandson of PERSON B) elsewhere is shown to have another arms which I assume was granted to him (found at https://archive.org/details/b22650611/page/270/mode/2up?q=%22dean+of+St.+Asaph%22 ) does this replace the previous arms or can the previous arms be used as well and possibly quartered with the new grant?

Sussex / Holman Family - What are the chances?

« on: Wednesday 05 June 19 04:56 BST (UK) »

Hello All,

Have two peculiar issues with an ancestor in Sussex of which has proven difficult to trace any further and wondering if it is just impossible to trace back further or whether there is a chance of a family match in Surrey. Will be a two fold issue explained below.

Briefly, an ancestor, John Holman born around 1630 (no baptism ever found) married his second wife Charity Streater in Lindfield, Sussex, England in 1657. This as well as his marriage to his first wife in 1654 in Worth, Sussex places the family in that area. He had a son John Holman born 1658 in Worth, however no children listed in the area from then on until his son's children and descendants are born in Worth thereafter for a few centuries.

Firstly, John and Charity have their son John in 1658 in Worth and he appears to be their only child, however a hop, skip and a jump in Horne, Surrey in 31 Dec 1683 and 21 Aug 1686 a Love and Mary Holman are born to a John and Charity Holman respectively. Do you think it a coincidence and there just happens to be another John and Charity (of which I would assume a fairly uncommon name) 4 miles down the road or is it the same couple and these were their last children 25 years after John was born? Also note that John Holman was buried 4 Mar 1686 in Worth, Sussex of which makes me suspect it is all a coincidence.

Secondly, John Holman (1630) appears to come to Worth out of no where (all other Holman's as far as I can tell in the nearby area are accounted for) and extracts from records I have found show that there was, in or before 1675 (from a marriage settlement of another family) a John Holman in Crawley Downs Worth, however parish records do not record any Holman from before other than his son John (1658) mentioned above.

In researching this further, I came across the Holman family of Godstone, Surrey where in many wills from 1620, pass down Land in Crawley Down, Worth, Sussex to various members of their family with the last will mentioning the land going to a brother, John Holman and his family in Middlesex of which his child John (born 1646) is not the one living in Crawley Downs, Worth which appears to be John Holman above born 1630.

Do you think this is this just another uncanny coincidence or is there a chance that they are of the same family - a different line perhaps? Finding the elusive baptism of John Holman in around 1630 would obviously help solve this however have had no luck as some registers aren't online yet it seems.

Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Looking for photo Date Susannah Lloyd - USA

« on: Saturday 25 May 19 17:27 BST (UK) »

Hello,

I'm looking for a bit of help in trying to determine the date of this photo (no restoration needed).

A bit of perspective: Susannah is from Wales and from what is known went to America to live with an uncle for a few years who wanted to adopt her.

Whilst the stories told about this visit are numerous only some are proving to be accurate or at least half truths and the dating of this photo will resolve a few key things as well as prove some of these stories.

Susannah was born in 1874 and the family was always told that she had her 21st birthday thrown by friends Frederick and Charlotte Kip in New York and this photo is of that day. This would put the date at 1895 however, I cant find any record of her trip at that time or her coming back to England after 1906 (of which she was still in New York). This makes me wonder if she traveled over to New York in 1901 when a Susie Lloyd is recorded in the passenger lists, but this would through the 21st birthday photo story out.

It was also told she met the Kips on the boat over, however cant find a record of a Kip and Lloyd traveling together so dating has proven very difficult.

Anyway photo attached is in three versions one is a Cabinet Card another is simply a side view of just the photo on no card and an enlarged version of A3 paper size which I have attached as well.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Fricker 1569 Grant of Admin translation

« on: Sunday 29 January 17 06:00 GMT (UK) »

Hi there,

Hoping someone will be able to help in deciphering the attached Grant of Administration for Edith Fricker of Chilmark from 1569. In particular the fourth line and the name listed there (if any). Thanks.