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Census and Resource Discussion / Silly census question
« on: Sunday 10 April 16 20:12 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone think of a reason, sensible or otherwise, why an entire family would be missing from the 1911 census, please? The only thing I could think of was that the adults were in support of the Suffragette movement, perhaps not likely for a miner, his wife & rapidly growing brood of offspring.
Any and all ideas welcome!
Thanks in advance
jj
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Leicestershire / James Kelly 189? 1927
« on: Wednesday 06 April 16 22:45 BST (UK)  »
I had so much information about my granddad James Kelly that I thought it would be easy.
3 WW1 medals
Pte 15846 Notts & Derby Regiment
Sgt 13010 Machine Gun Corps
Age 20 married Nellie Richardson 5 Jan 1916 Mansfield.
Age 32 died 5 Feb 1927 Hemsworth, Yorkshire.
With grateful thanks to Australian Jeff, looking for his wife's grandmother, I now know James was the first of many children born to James Kelly (of course!) 1875 Whitwick – 1951 Nottingham, and Ellen Slattery 1875 Whitwick – Rotherham 1955.
They married 8 March 1897 in Whitwick.
1901 31 March, census, the family lived at Glass Houghton, Yorkshire.
James Jr was 4 years old, born Whitwick no date.
Catherine was 3 years old born Mexborough, 10 March 1898.
Thomas is 10 months old, born Whitwick, 1900
We have been unable to find a birth registration for James Jr, despite there being a hefty £2 fine for non-compliance.

There are very strong family links to the Ashby de la Zouch area of Leicestershire: Whitwick, Osgathorpe, Hugglescote and Blackfordby.

Ellen Slattery's parents were:
Michael Slattery 1852–1893 & Emma Kendrick 1850–1929

Emma Kendrick's parents were:
Thomas  Kendrick 1829–1893 & Sarah King 1831–1901

Prominent family names are Kendrick, Slattery, King and Varnham, all with large families, many of similar ages to James Jr & Ellen.

The question remains, where (?Whitwick) when and to whom was James Kelly (189? - 1927), my grandfather born?
The dates of marriage & death are confirmed by certificates, but the ages at 1901 census, marriage & death don't correspond.

I'll be enormously grateful for any ideas which will help solve this mysterious mystery and as before, offer thanks to those who so willingly offered help in 2015.

Jesika 6 April 2016

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World War Two / Stalag IVB
« on: Wednesday 11 February 15 13:02 GMT (UK)  »
Jackson W
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Stalag IVB 229609

The dog tags of Uncle Will (Gt Yarmouth 1913 -1959).
I don't know when or how he came to be captured, how long he was imprisoned, when he was released and by whom, even which service he was in.
A few years ago I saw a TV program about a jazz band in Stalag IVB & wondered if Uncle Will was the pianist, my formidable grandmother having put all her sons to piano lessons.
I'd be very grateful for any information and offer thanks to those who tried to help me learn more about my "motherless" WWI granddad. Through Rootschat, an unknown and unexpected cousin in Melbourne recently contacted me. I know more, but granddad still remains without a mother, as does his sister Catherine I never knew about. (James Kelly 1895-1927)
j

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World War One / Anniversary
« on: Saturday 08 February 14 08:38 GMT (UK)  »
On February 8 1927, granddad James Kelly, age 32, died from TB leaving his wife and 3 young children.
He first went to France May 3 1915 as private 15846, Notts & Derby Regiment, 1st Battalion.
That autumn he was back in Britain with the 3rd  Battalion (training/reserve), possibly in Sunderland or perhaps at Clipstone Camp near Mansfield.
January 5 1916 aged 20, he married 19 year old Nellie Richardson.
February 21 1916, he was sergeant 13010 in the Machine Gun Corps.
April 29 1916, he returned to France with the 103rd MG Company.
February 10 1919 he was discharged Class Z reserve and returned to his former occupation as a miner, moving to the West Riding of Yorkshire where his second child was born in 1920 and where he died.
I now know far more than I did 18 months ago when I found the medals that started this search.
Previously, I had been content with “granddad who died when mum was young”.
But I am still missing vital information; his date and place of birth and his mother's name
Notts & Derby Museum, MGC database, KOYLI museum (great granddad, also James Kelly, miner), Mining Museum, Mansfield Register Office, British Library, Clipstone Camp researcher and other sources have failed to provide that last item.
I have reduced my “possibles” to about 35 and 6 possible great granddads (KOYLI pte in 1916).
I have no idea where or when he was born, but he was 20 when he married so probably 1895.
A cousin had believed he was from Cork, I don't think that is true but his father may have been.
At marriage, bride & groom gave Mansfield addresses.


Several experienced “Rootschatters” have invested considerable time and energy in attempting to solve this mystery. I offer grateful thanks to them all.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666691.msg5118350#msg5118350

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Cork / The Cork connection
« on: Thursday 09 January 14 20:02 GMT (UK)  »
I am attempting to learn the date & place of birth of my grandfather, JAMES KELLY, (son of James Kelly) who may have been born in Cork between 1894 & 1896.
My knowledge of him begins in January 1916 when he married Nellie Richardson in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire. He was 20 years old, a miner serving as private 15846 in the Notts & Derby Sherwood Foresters Regiment.
In February 1916 he became sergeant 13010 Machine Gun Corps.
He died in Yorkshire February 1927, age 32.
His father was also a miner, serving as a private in the Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry.

I have received considerable help from other boards, but he remains stubbornly elusive in England. Maybe he really WAS Irish, as family lore suggests.

My next step is to try the machine gun corps data base and the KOYLI museum in Doncaster in the hope of finding my great grandfather.

Many thanks in advance for any help  and interest.
jj

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666691.0

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World War One / medal card notation James Kelly (possible great granddad)
« on: Wednesday 18 December 13 08:53 GMT (UK)  »
In my search for granddad James Kelly (Notts & Derby & MGC), this time by trying to find his father, also James Kelly(KOYLI), I saw this medal card notation & do not fully understand what it means. Why would it take 20 years to do what ever it was they decided to do for or to this man?
Can anybody decipher it please?

jj


 "James Kelly YLI 9780
Qualifying date 10 August 1914
Victory 0/2/103B5 490
British ditto
14 Star 0/2/485
9780 Action taken C/R 155D? December 1938
D of W AS/gen/4447
SW B list 0/92/2"

Another possible (KOYLI 16640 Labour Corps) got the 15 Star  "Class P" Does this have some significance too?

A third (KOYLI depot 40208 Ref WO372/11/117600)) was discharged 29 Nov 1918 "Cause 392 (XVI) KR"

The search for granddad is certainly a steep learning curve, but no where nearly as steep as that these men faced...
Granddad's dad:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=670834.msg5159892#msg5159892

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World War One / granddad's dad James Kelly
« on: Friday 13 December 13 18:49 GMT (UK)  »

Great granddad
My search for my maternal grandfather is frustrating and bewildering. Despite a tremendous amount of information, including his regiment and numbers, I still cannot, even with the help of Rootschat experts (many thanks) determine which of many possibles he is.
So – try for GREAT granddad.
Same name James Kelly
Same address 3 Bells Yard, Westgate, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire at the marriage of his 20 year old son (Jan 1916)
Same occupation miner
Different regiment Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
And at least 20 years older which would surely make it easier – wouldn't it?
I have 14 possible medal card numbers relating to James Kelly, KOYLI or YLI
2 for James P Kelly
2 for J Kelly
and 2 for William J Kelly

They range from Royal Field Artillary to MGC, Rifle Brigade and Labour Corps (older men perhaps?), Royal Engineers (miner – tunnels?) and Training Reserve Battalions.

I have so much but can't go forward.

I am waiting for information from the KOYLI and mining museums one of which may provide the missing link, giving great granddad's birth date (estimate around 1870) or perhaps the name of his wife.

Larkspur (Nottinghamshire) and Cashew (WW1) have helped enormously and  I thank them, but that elusive final clue is still to be found.

I really hope someone can find great granddad James Kelly and through him, my grandfather.
Many thanks
jesika

James Kelly 1895-1927

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World War One / medal card notations
« on: Sunday 24 November 13 19:46 GMT (UK)  »
Does anybody understand what appears to a coding system on WW1 medal cards?
My grandfather, James Kelly, was Pte 15846 in the Notts & Derby R and Sjt 13010 in the Machine Gun corps.
He was awarded "Pip, Squeak & Wilfred" but I don't know what
"Machine Gun Corps/101 B8
and
MGC/4C" refer to
Any clever detectives about, and will this information help me discover which James Kelly was MY James Kelly? (His date & place of birth remain a mysterious mystery. {James Kelly 1895 -1927, Nottinghamshire board}
Many thanks
jj

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Labor ipse voluptas
« on: Monday 11 November 13 18:17 GMT (UK)  »
Does any body know how, when & why the alumni of Hemsworth Grammar School came to be  called Old Hilmians?

I found the following some time ago, which may shed some light on the name.

"Recorded in several spellings including Hemsworth, Himsworth and Hemswood, an English surname locational from Hemsworth.
Recorded in the Domesday Book of 1086 as “HAMELESUURDE” and later as “HILMEUUORD” and translates as “Hymel’s enclosure or homestead”.
Derivation – Olde English pre-7th century personal name “Hymel” meaning bear-cub. “Worth” means enclosure or settlement.”
Hilmia is also a popular Islamic name

(Internet surname data base)

Old Hilmians first mentioned 1932 (Hemsworth Secondary/High School, established 1922)

Labor ipse voluptas – find pleasure in work.

jj

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