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My original posting has been modified to exclude the original person referred to who may still be living.  William Egerton Roberts was the father of the original named one and I do have a name and  address for the child taken from William's death registration  which I will pass to anybody who wishes to message me.  Please can anybody who responded to my original posting remove the personal details of the child therefrom

William was my uncle.  He grew up in Conwy Workhouse together with his sister Gweneth (who I have previously posted about).  These children were 'lost' to their parents (My grandparents) and apparently grew up wrongly believing themselves to be orphans

William was born in the Swansea area on 11/11/1908.  His registered name was Geoffrey William but the 'Geoffrey' seems to have been dropped while he was in the Workhouse.  He seems to have 'adopted' the name 'Egerton' from an older brother who died in the same workhouse.

I have discovered that he and Gweneth remained in contact in later life and that he married Annie Jones of Holyhead in Llanbeglig on 12/09/1938.  In the 1939 register they are living in Caernarvon with two closed entries at the same address: possibly their children

Many thanks

I have an aunty who was born in Wales in 1907. She grew up in Conway Workhouse and subsequently lived in a small village in North Wales and I’m 95% sure I have her in 1921 and 1939 and details of marriage in 1944. She apparently believed herself (wrongly) to be an orphan.  Does anybody know of any reason why I should not advertise in local newspapers for anybody that might have known her?

On 6 January 1938 a lady of this name set sail on the 'Rangitiki' in London bound for Aukland.  She was apparently travelling alone.  Her age was given as 65 and her address as Kingsbridge Road, Parkstone.

There is an outside chance that this was the first wife of my grandfather and the mother of four children who I have been completely unable to trace after the 1901 UK census.  (References - Piece:2477, Folio:37, Page:4 - Name has been misspelt 'Robberts'').  The children's details are Gertrude Gwladys, William O R, Joseph A  and Doris M, all born in Wales in the 1890s ).

Gertrude Snr. was born in Chester in 1872.

What is striking is that although Gertrude and my grandfather apparently split up shortly after the 1901 census the above address is within a mile or so of where he was living with my grandmother in 1938, them having moved there around 1928.

If (big 'if') this was indeed one and the same person I can only imagine that she would have been travelling to join one or more of her children in New Zealand.  The passenger list shows her 'Country of Last Permanent Residence' as 'other parts of the British Empire' which doesn't tie in unless she had moved to NZ (or elsewhere) before and this was a return visit back to UK.

I have done what searches I can to try and find any trace of her or any of her children in NZ but without any success. (There was a Gertrude Ellen Roberts who died in Murchison in 1950  aged 75 but I bought her death certificate and this was definitely not 'my' Gertrude -  although she could have been the passenger on the Rangitiki).

If anybody can find any details on the Gertrude Roberts who travelled to New Zealand in 1938 particularly anything giving any family details I would be really grateful if only so that I can cross her off my list of 'possibles'.

I have discovered that my grandfather was married and had 4 children before he met my grandmother (With whom he had a further 11 children of whom at least the first took my grandmother's name). The last record I can find of the first family is the 1901 census when they are living in Hereford.  The family name is misspelled as Robberts but the given names leaving out my grandfather are Gertrude (28), William O R (7), Joseph A (6) Gertrude G ( and Doris M (5).  In 1911 my Grandfather and Grandmother are living in Cornwall with 2 of their children and also reporting a further 3 children living elsewhere.  I have searched extensively for any further trace of Gertrude and her family including under her maiden name, Sadler.  Assuming they stayed together as a family group it seems to me I might have some success if I could search for a group of people with those given names without specifying a family name.  Does anybody know if this is possible please?