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Shropshire / George Richard Burgess
« on: Monday 04 December 17 01:29 GMT (UK)  »
I'm hoping some of you may be able to help me inregards to the identity of my ancestor, George Richard Burgess. I'll outline below what I know.

He was purportedly born in Whitchurch, Shropshire around 1819, he gives this as his birthplace on the 1851,61 and 71 censuses.

He married Ann Peacock some time prior to 1838, probably in the Stockport region. There is a marriage in Manchester of a George Burgess and an Ann Peacock in 1837, this marriage gives his occupation as a labourer of Didsbury though, and his father as George Burgess a surgeon. He also makes his mark, which seems very odd for a surgeons son, and his later occupations (if this is the correct marriage).

First daughter Sarah Ann is born in Stockport in 1838, followed by a son George in Newcastle, Staffordshire in 1841. The family are resident in Stockport in 1841, but the page is badly damaged

Another child Henry, is born in Sheffield in 1845, he seems to have died young, followed by a son John in Norwich in 1850. The family are lodging in Melton Mowbray on the 1851 census, mistranscribed as "Barges". Georges occupation is now Rope Maker.

The family settle, finally, in Boston Lincs after this, and the remainder of their children, Edwin born 1852, Joseph born 1853, Rosetta born 1857, Alfred born 1858 and Ellen born 1860 were all born here. However Sarah Ann marries in Stepney in 1857, to William Pinder Foster, giving her fathers occupation as Compositor. The two do settle in Boston though by the following year

1861 census gives Georges occupation as Grocer, presumably in partnership with his son in law William. However by 1871 the family has moved to Bethnal Green where George is employed as a Factory Manager. my understanding is that this was probably a Laundry Blue factory.

The following year George, Ann and the younger children all emigrate to New Zealand, Auckland specifically. I have the New Zealand lives of George and Ann reasonably well mapped, and the lives of their children who did emigrate as well (all bar George jr who disappears subsequent to the 1861 census). Both George and Ann died in 1892, neither left a will that went to probate.

The identities of George and his wife remain enigmas though, there is a family of Burgess's in Whitchurch but from a perusal of their wills there are no stray George's.

Also the constant change of occupations, and the incredibly varied locations for the birth of their children have caused confusion.

One thing to note is that I have been unable to find a single baptism for any of the children, possibly they were dissenters?

If this would be more suitable on another board feel free to move it, but the only constant in his life is his birthplace so I thought Shropshire would be the best place for it.

Thanks in advance and apologies for any errors, im typing this from memory on an ipad which is far from ideal.


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New Zealand Completed Requests / Robert Munro and Sarah McNee, Little River.
« on: Tuesday 02 May 17 05:05 BST (UK)  »
After tracing my family tree for the past couple of years I have succeeded in finding almost all of my 4x GGrandparents. The only outstanding ones are the parents of Robert Munro and Sarah McNee, I've been unable to find anything on this pair prior to their marriage, and little (aside from the births of their children) afterwards. What I have found follows:

Robert Munro married Sarah McNee in Invercargill in July 1864.
I have a copy of their intention to marry, which states Roberts age as 28, his occupation as "Constable" (presumably of Police) and time of residence in Invercargill as 4 days ( ::) )
Sarah is 27, occupation "Servant" and has resided in Invercargill for 6 months.

The couple went on to have 7 children:

Catherine, born 1865, (I've been unable to trace her.)

Robert born 1866, died 1867 in Akaroa. First burial at Governors Bay Cemetary

His twin, John Alexander, born 14 Sep 1866, in Akaroa (per Foresters application.) Married twice, to Mary Emily Madden nee Burling and Maud Ransome. Died 1939 in Masterton. My GG Grandfather.

(All subsequent births in the Akaroa/Little River region)

William Daniel, born 1868. Married Christina Mckay and died in 1957

Hugh Charles, born 1870. Also came to the Wairarapa, married Eliza Melton and died in 1945.

Robert Henry Thomas, born 1871, died in 1873

Sarah Jane , born 1873, married Henry Thomas Houghton, died 1962.

After the birth of Sarah Jane, Robert Sr disappears. I am of the opinion he is the Robert Munro who dies in Christchurch in 1873, but I have no proof.

Sarah remains in Little River after this, I have found newspaper reports of her being paid to clean the Schoolhouse etc. She is still there in 1905, living in the Okute Valley. However she vanishes after this as well. The only death that matches in one of a Sarah Munro in Invercargill in 1916. This Sarah is buried in an unmarked grave. I have not bought the death cert as her burial record provides no details about her, presumably the informant was the same on both. She only ever appears on one electoral record which has made tracing her difficult (unless she took up with another man I suppose).

Now the part that intrigues me most. At some point in time John Alexander and Hugh migrate to the Wairarapa. They are, in 1896, in Tinui, working as labourers. Why and how did they wind up here? Where there family members there already? Its a tiny isolated settlement today, let alone in the 1890's. If it was due to the death of Robert, why would you send the eldest and the third sons, not the second? If anyone can shed some light on this I would be ecstatic.

A couple things that I missed earlier:

Robert was described as a shepherd on William Daniels marriage certificate, and Sarah's birthplace was given as the Shetland Islands. I've been unable to find any records of a Sarah McNee from the Shetlands.

To summarise what I'm hoping you guys can help me with

Find Robert and Sarah prior to immigration,

Find what happened to them, regarding their deaths.

Any tidbits about their lives would help, I've found few newspaper reports about them, plenty about the "other" Robert Munro (of Pigeon Bay)

Find why Jack and Hugh alone went to the Wairarapa.

Anything else I haven't listed here about their lives would be great though, those are just the main points.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Sam.


 

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I found this photo, as a negative listed in the catalogue at my local archives. All the information, provided with it, said was "Munro and 7 children". Now Munro is not a common surname in this region of NZ, at least early on, and I have a very strong suspicion that this may be my GG Grandad and part of his family. If I could get a date that would be fantastic (bear in mind they lived WAY out in the back blocks of the already very rural Wairarapa so clothing fashions/trends would probably not have been a priority.) Also help with genders and ages of the children as you'll see its not very apparent! I'll enclose another photo which came alongside it, I am hoping this is the first wife who died not long before I believe it may have been taken. Thank yous in advance.

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Hey all, I've been noting down the family photos with my Grandad, we've got through 10 odd boxed of various family material but these 3 photos have to some extent stumped us.

The first is a Cartes De Visite of a woman. Rounded edges, yellowish paper/board if that helps. Presumably from 1863 to 1874 as the back only says J D Wrigglesworth, whereas after 1874 it would have said Wrigglesworth and Binns. Taken in Wellington, NZ. Possibly of my GGG Grandmother born 1852? Or even her mother/mother in law? (Must be from this family). I'm terrible at telling ages from photo's so what do you think age wise? Could be a sister or cousin as well.

Second is of an elderly woman, in mourning? clothes. We have a suspicion its a photo of a different GGG Grandmother circa 1920 around the time of her husbands funeral, as we have several other photos from this time period, however this is the only photo printed on this type of paper. There is an x on the back which means my G Grandfather (the possible suspects grandson) didn't know who it was however as they likely never met (living an island apart will do that) this isn't too big of a problem.

Final photo is of a woman in a classroom, presumably a teacher. None of the family were teachers however my G Grandmothers family were heavily involved in Bible Classes. Aside from that we just dont know.

Cheers in advance
Sam

edit. Had to modify these in paint (there were 10 times too big for the uploader  ::) so sorry about the quality on the first, it's been done poorly.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / John Henry Ransome, where did he come from?
« on: Wednesday 11 November 15 08:43 GMT (UK)  »
    Hi all first of what I'm sure will be many posts here and its it to do with something i've had quite some trouble with. My trouble is with my 3xgreat grandfather John Henry Ransome. Here's what I currently know
    • Arrived in NZ sometime prior to Apr 1881, when he married Mary Marsh in Wellington, his name is mistranscribed as Ransoure on BDM
    • Lived in wellington, presumably in Newtown where his children, my 2xggm Maud (born 24 Dec 1881) and Effie Louise (born Jun 1883) were born
    • Moved to Masterton some time during early 1885 upon which time he started business as a chimney sweep
    • Died on the 28th May 1886, aged just 30 from an attack of typhoid, surprisingly for a chimney sweep there is a good write up in the local paper about his death which shows him to have been quite a popular man
    • His wife remarried to even more of an enigma, Wilhelm/William John/Johann Kobrow/Coburn/Cobourn and had a son who's birth wasn't registered but thats another post


    Now my problems


    He fails to appear on any electoral rolls even after universal suffrage for men is introduced.

    Having died so young (his eldest daughter was only 5) nothing is known about him in the family, my granddad knows very little.

    My main goal here is just to find out where he came from, I scoured through every John Henry/John/Henry Ransome/Ransom born approx 1850 in the 1861 UK census but I found nothing, it doesnt look as though his family came out as well as there are very few Ransome's in NZ and none that add up to him being a child of (that I've found), nor was he born here. There is a possible immigration record on Family Search but I'm not entirely confident it's him.  A death certificate would help but frankly I can't afford it, plus I also have a feeling it may not tell me much. So any information above what I have would be fantastic.

    Cheers, Sam

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