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Wales / Emanuel Evans...mystery preacher from Anglesey!
« on: Friday 29 March 19 16:49 GMT (UK)  »
My 5X GGF is Emanuel Evans (~abt.1763-1836).  With help from rootschat members, I was able to identify him and have since spent a couple of years researching him.  I have his will, biography, death bond (no will), electoral roll, handwritten letters by him applying to preach in Amlwch, Anglesey, notes taken on his sermons, Amlwch 1801 census, his marriage record, countless records of him preaching all over North Wales, traveling with Rev. Christmas Evans (famous minister from that time), etc.  But, for the life of me, I cannot figure out where he was born, and I have grown quite fond of Emanuel. 

The "Brief Biography" from "Brief Biographies of the first Calvinistic Methodist preachers on Anglesey" says that he is a native of Amlwch, but he was married in Llansannan, Denbighshire in 1785.  That marriage record says he was a bachelor of Llanrhaidr.  I've checked all over both Llanrhaidr's and back, with no luck.

Recently, Y-DNA confirmed that Emanuel Evans likely descends from Quakers in Dolgellau (or their ancestors).  My Dad matched with multiple descendents of Robert Ellis, born 1651 in Dolgellau.  Robert Ellis came to settle in the Welsh Tract after William Penn in 1690.  I have no idea when/where the connection was, but I am officially stuck.  There is a possible baptism of an Emanuel Griffith in Llanystumdwy in 1761, but I believe that I found that Emanuel Evans at a mill nearby - still checking that out though.  With patronymics and possible Quaker connections I am at a loss for where to look next.  Were there Quakers near Bala?  Are their other sources I should check?  Can anyone recommend places to look/things to try?  I would so appreciate the help!  We have an Evans/Morgan family reunion in June and I am compiling everything on Emanuel to share.  No one in my family knows anything about him, and I am glad that he won't be forgotten!

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Herefordshire / Morgan's of Leominster/Eardisland, Herefordshire
« on: Saturday 22 December 18 18:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone!  I have been trying to connect my Morgan line to some of the more documented Morgan lines.  Oral history says we do connect to the Morgan's of Tredegar, but at this point the dots don't connect. 

Richard Morgan, born around 1743 (unsure of location) is as far back as we have been able to trace.  And I think one or two more generations back would be the connection to the other lines.  He was married in Leominster to wife Martha Bevan in 1785, and children were James, Henry, William, Richard, and Ann.  I am a descendant of his son Henry, born in 1792.  I have found some autosomal DNA connections to those with well traced Morgan lines, but we just haven't been able to connect. 

I see a possible link on ancestry to a William Morgan, born in 1725, but can't confirm that this is accurate.  Can anyone see if they can find the birth record for Richard?  No clue where he was born, but would love to learn more.  And/or does anyone have them in their tree?  Richard's descendants lived in Eardisland, Herefordshire for a long time, and then moved to Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales to work in the coal mines in the late 1800's. 

Any other Morgan connections and resources would be welcome as well.  Thank you so much!

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Anglesey / Bontfawr - Need help finding Amlwch abode
« on: Thursday 12 July 18 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Sounds like two of my 5X Great Grandfather Emanuel Evans’ children (Thomas and Hannah Evans) both died in November of 1797 (20th and 24th), and Bontfawr was their abode.  May have been in Amlwch, or may have been near Llanerchymedd as I have seen reference to a minister named Emanuel Evans there.  He was a yeoman as well, so may have had a large or small freeholding.  Can anyone locate this home/Farm in the late 1700’s?  Two others (possibly farm workers) died at the abode in the same year, a Margaret Griffith and a William Painter, died 1797 at Bontfawr.

Also in the 1801 Amlwch census, It says Eman’l (Emanuel) Evans lived at Treydrath.  Was that Trefdraeth misspelled, or is that a different home/place name?

Thank you for any help you can send my way!  Emanuel is my brick wall, and this additional information may finally help me figure out who his parents are.

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Anglesey Lookup Requests / Methodist Minister Amlwch/Trefdraeth resources?
« on: Monday 09 July 18 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

A friend living on Anglesey talked with a Methodist Minister (who serves the area we are looking in) about my 5X Great Grandfather, Emanuel Evans.  Trying to find record of which chapels he served in.  I know he was in Amlwch, then possibly Bethel Chapel in Bodorgan, and then ministered at his home, Tyn Llwyn, in Trefdraeth.  The minister recommended a book called "The history of Methodists in Wales", by William Roberts, but said it is a rare book.  Have any of you run across this book or know where I can look?  I did a search in the National Library of Wales (no luck), and have sent an email to the Anglesey Archives, and am awaiting a response from them.

Any other suggestions for resources I should check that would show non-conformist Ministers on Anglesey from the late 1700's and early 1800's

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Anglesey / Evans - Amlwch and Trefdraeth, Anglesey
« on: Saturday 07 July 18 16:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone! 

Trying to learn more about my 5X Great Grandfather, Emanuel Evans.  He was born around 1763, possibly in Llanrhaeadr, Denbighshire.  Married Elizabeth Jones of Llansannan (Denbighshire) in 1785 in her parish, I do have their marriage record.

Emanuel next shows up in 1801 in Amlwch, Anglesey.  He is listed as a miner in Baptism Records for his children.  Several were baptized in Amlwch (not sure what chapel - which could be very important):

Robert bap. 27 Oct 1787 Amlwch
Griffith bap. 19 May 1792 Amlwch
Thomas bap. 28 Jun 1794 (died 20 Nov 1797) Amlwch
Hannah bap. 4 Mar 1797 (died 24 Nov 1797) Amlwch
Thomas bap. 10 Nov 1798 Amlwch
Evan bap. 21 Feb 1801 Amlwch
William bap. 24 Mar 1803 Rhosmeirch (Ebenezer Chapel?)
Joseph bap. 7 Oct 1806 Trefdraeth (Bethel Chapel) Father listed as a Minister of the Gospel.

So I started to look into Emanuel being a minister, and sure enough he was.  He was a Calvinistic Methodist Minister, found original documents at the Anglesey Archives, written by him in 1801 in Amlwch - not sure what chapel.  Have heard that he had a disagreement with someone in the chapel and headed south.  Bethel chapel was built around 1805, not sure if he was a minister there at all, but it was very nearby and corresponds with the Baptism locations of his children.  We know that he was then a minister at the family home of Tyn Llwyn in Trefdraeth, and held a Sunday School there for many years.  He died at the home in 1836, and the home passed to his son Thomas (my GGGG Grandfather).  About 10 family members died at the home between 1836 and 1843, and all are buried at St. Bueno's parish church in Trefdraeth. 

I have seen a record of Emanuel giving to the British and Foreign Bible Society, and also his name on an Electoral Roll.  Can't find the reference, but someone sent me a paragraph from a book talking about Emanuel being a fluent speaker, and that he was a well-liked minister.

My questions are:
What Amlwch chapel were the older kids baptised at?
What Amlwch chapel did Emanuel minister at?
What is Emanuel's birthdate?  Was he born in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch?
Who were Emanuel's parents?

Thank you for any help you can give!!!

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Denbighshire / Evans/Jones marriage, Llansannan Parish 1785
« on: Friday 29 June 18 03:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

Have hit a brick wall, and would love some help.  Found the marriage record for my 5X Great Grandparents, Emanuel Evans and Elizabeth Jones.  They were married in Llansannan Parish on 8 Aug, 1785.

He is listed as a bachelor of Llanrhaiadr, and she is of Llansannan Parish.  Parents names are not listed, and I haven't found any other documents with parents names listed.  I do know from census records and some other documents that they were both born around 1763/1764.  Emanuel became a Calvinistic Methodist Minister, and I have seen a document that he wrote from 1801 when he was a minister in Amlwch on Anglesey.  They had many children baptized in Amlwch, and then the family moved to Trefdraeth, Anglesey, at some point in the early 1800's and he preached out of his home for years.

Looking specifically to trace both Emanuel and Elizabeth back a generation.  Other than birth years, and their marriage record, I am afraid I don't have anything to go off of.  Hoping that Emanuel/Emmanuel/Mannuel is an uncommon name which may be helpful in the search.

Thank you for any help/guidance!

Heather (Evans) DeFer


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Hi there!  Visiting Wales in June and am looking for a bit more information on my Great-Grandparents.  Robert John Evans was born on 10 June 1897 in Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire.  His parents were Evan G. Evans and Elizabeth Williams.  He moved to Mountain Ash around 1904.  Married my Great Grandma Sarah Morgan in December 1920 in Pontypridd, and he passed away in Bay City, Michigan (US) in 4 September, 1974.  Sarah Morgan was born 6 August, 1902, in Aberdare.  She passed away 17 October, 1980 in Bay City, Michigan.  Her parents were  George Morgan and Elizabeth Day.

Robert John and Sarah had 7 children.  Muriel, Olwen, Ruth, Beatrice, Robert (my Grandfather), Ronald and Richard (who were twins).  I believe Robert John came to the US in 1927, but haven't found any documentation that would support that such as a passenger list.  I would love to know more about Robert Johns parents, and what Robert and Sarah's lives were like in Mountain Ash.  I believe they lived on Arthur Street at one time, possibly number 4.  Any other information such as where they went to school, and what mine he worked at/what his specific occupation was there would be great.  Am hoping to go and visit some of these places while visiting.  Thank you!!!

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Hi there, a bit stuck in the search.  Looking for information on Thomas Evans (and his parents), born around 1802, in Newborough. 

1841 - He lived at Tyn Llwyn (Trefdraeth) with his son, Evan, and mother, Elizabeth. 
1861 - Pen-Dref St. in Newborough. 
1871 - Rabbit dealer and wife (Ellen) was a matmaker on Malltraeth St. Newborough. 
1881 - Address listed as Lyn Capel or Ty Capel in Newborough

Would love to know about Thomas' parents (my 5X GGrandparents), as well as find a marriage cert for Thomas and Ellen (nee Williams).  We believe they may have been married at St. Peter's church in Newborough - but we could be wrong. Thank you for any information you can find!  My sister and I are visiting in June and hope to visit some of these amazing places!

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