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The Common Room / Trying to find out what happened to John Hall b. 1861 Bolton. Odd story.
« on: Friday 25 January 19 21:53 GMT (UK)  »
I'm struggling because it's such a common name. John Hall was born to William and Betsy Hall and married Hannah Selby in 1883 in Bolton. His marriage cert states he was a collier. I'm not sure but in 1881 he was possibly lodging in Oldham and working as a coal miner.

He had 3 (or 4) children: Louisa, William (died age 3), Alice, Martha and William. Although his name was not on the 2nd William's birth certificate (born 1892). But I have seen photos of this William and he looks like the identical twin of one of his Hall cousins so I'm assuming John was the father.

He lived in Bolton and Wigan, working as a coal miner, according to his children's christening records and birth and death records. However, I cannot find him on any census after he married. In 1891 Hannah was working as a charwoman, married and head of household. By 1901, Hannah was down as a widow so I'm assuming they had split up by then. In 1894 and 1896 she had 2 more sons, their father's name was not on the birth certificate but I'm pretty certain their father was a Henry Radcliffe due to the boys names (after him and his brother and included the Radcliffe middle name) and the fact that his brother was married to a close Hall relative. He and Hannah never married or lived together and both babies died of malnutrition.

I have checked all death records for John Halls born in Bolton and all have been accounted for as different John Halls from birth records. Only mine is missing. It is possible he was lodging in Halliwell and a labourer in 1901 (he was a labourer on his daughter Alice's marriage record) but I have searched all Lancashire records and not found a death for him.

Any suggestions on how I can go about fining my John Hall? Or the missing censuses or anything that might suggest what happened to him?

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The Common Room / Odd death records in Farnworth?
« on: Tuesday 13 November 18 19:41 GMT (UK)  »
I just wonder if anyone can shed some light on these death records. I'm just trying to piece together what life must have been like for this family at this time.

An ancestor of mine had 3 children by 1875 - twin boys under a year, and a 2 year old girl.

On 3rd October 1875 they were living in Lorne St, Farnworth when the first twin died aged 10 months of dentition 1 week.
18th October they were living in Market St Farnworth when their daughter died of scarlet fever exhaustion 14 days.
19th October they were living Egerton St, Farnworth when the second twin died age 11 months of marasmus 1 month.

All her children died of different causes within 16 days! How awful. But I'm just wondering - could dentition and marasmus be related? It seems strange that an 11 month old would suddenly become malnourished or that twins would die of different things so close together unless there was an underlying problem for both of them. It's not like they were tiny babies.

Also, what would be the reason for moving around so much when your children were sick? They only lived at one address for maximum 2 weeks and moved once with 2 sick children and once on the day their last child died. They were still living at the same address on Egerton St in the 1881 census though. The father was a cloth finisher. Mother used to be a cotton weaver but wasn't working at that time. It seems like there's more to it than just bad luck, or am I overthinking it?     

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Family History Beginners Board / Relatives who moved around a lot
« on: Sunday 22 July 18 20:36 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know if it was quite uncommon to move around a lot (same county, different towns) in the mid-late 1800s? I have one branch of the family who flitted between Bolton, Manchester, Blackburn, Salford, back to Bolton, Oldham, Rochdale and then back to Blackburn - all within the span of about 20 years. As far as I can tell they only had relatives in Bolton. They were also iron moulders and cotton operatives so it's not like they would have had much spare money.

What would make a working class family in the late 1800s move around that much? Almost everyone else in my tree tended to stay around the same few streets in the same town.

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Occupation Interests / Moulder/ spindle maker
« on: Sunday 22 July 18 20:24 BST (UK)  »
I have an ancestor who was an iron moulder for a long time (I'm assuming non-apprenticed), then he was briefly a spindle maker (I'd guess for making metal parts of cotton looms as this was in Lancashire in the late 1800s) and then he moved to another Lancashire town and was an iron moulder again. Does anyone know if an iron moulder is more advanced/ more pay than a spindle maker or the other way around? His son-in-law was a fly and spindle maker so I'm assuming they worked together for a while but while I've read some great posts here explaining what a moulder did, I haven't found much information on what exactly a spindle maker did.

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