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Hi all,

I'm researching my GGM's first husband and the children they had together and am finding some conflicting info. I wondered if anyone would be able to help sanity-check what I have?

James Jones m. Sarah Carter on 19 Oct 1910, in Stockton Heath.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3FV-GZJ
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3LN-R43

In 1911 the couple lived at 23 Bridgewater Street with their son James Richard Jones (the address on his birth cert. matches his parent's parish marriage record).

James Jones Snr was 25 yrs old on the 1911 census, making his birth year abt 1886. It also says he was born in Ludlow, Shropshire. There were 5x James Jones born 1886 +/- 2 years in Ludlow. I don't have a mother's maiden name for him yet.

I believe James Jones Snr died before Nov 1919 as Sarah married my GGF, Joseph White, on 15 Nov in Warrington. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFNZ-WX8. She is listed as a widow, living at 10 Bridgewater Street, and the ages/parents' names all match up.

I wondered if James and Sarah had any more children, and after searching the Lanc-OPC for baptisms using the surname Jones + mmn Carter, I found:

Beatrice Evelyn Jones b. 1912 Warrington
Frederick Thomas Jones b. 1914 Warrington
Constance Mabel Jones b. 1916 Warrington

All 3 of these children have the address 10 Bridgewater Street on their baptism and birth certs.... but their father is listed as James Hill Jones. Every other record I've found for him lists him as just James Jones. What's the likelihood that I've mixed families up here? Everything else seems to match up, but where has the middle name Hill come from?

I've searched the census and can only find 1x James Hill Jones living in Warrington with a father called Richard (as per the marriage record). That address is 48 Howard Street and shows a sibling called Beatrice E which would correlate, but James' birthplace is Worcestershire. There are no other James Jones b. abt 1886 on any census in Warrington.

Another thing is, several ancestry trees list James Jones serving in the military (soldier number 16268) and died in action in 1917 in France. But I've searched Fold3 for his soldier number and the pension ledger gives his name as James Joseph Jones - so I think that's a completely different person.

Can anyone help to fill in the blanks, please? Where was James prior to 1911? Was he in the military? When did he die?

Thanks for reading, sorry it's a lot of info to digest!

Hello,

I'm trying to find a marriage record for my 4GGPs Bryan Noon and Margaret Jordan. They had 2 children born in Ireland between 1845-1851 (Bridget and Mary), so I imagine they married around 1845 or earlier. I can't find a parish register entry for the marriage so wondered if someone else might have better luck than me.

I believe Bryan was born around 1821 going by his age on England Census records from 1861 onwards. But his death certificate says he was 59yo in 1894.
And I believe Margaret was born around 1823, again going by her age on the census records.

Spelling variations from other documentation I have:
- Bryan/Brian/Brun
- Noon/Noone/Newn
- Jordan/Shurdon

Please let me know if I need to provide any further info. Thank you

Hi all, happy new year!

I’m wondering if anyone can help me? I’m trying to find out more about Bernard Noone - found in this 1891 census

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/22501092?h=004fdb

I believe his mother is my 3rd GGM - she was born as Mary Noon about 1849 in Ireland, and married John Mullins in Warrington in 1867. They had a daughter called Sarah who was born 1872 in Newcastle under Lyme, and also a son called John (my 2x GGF) born 1870 in Warrington.

John Mullins Snr seems to disappear after 1861 (can’t find him on any census records) - on the 1891 census Mary is listed as a widow, and so maybe went back to using her maiden name for some reason.

I have searched for a birth record for Bernard Noone in both Warrington and Newcastle under Lyme. I can’t find anything that looks remotely accurate as evidence. I have tried searching using both his fathers surname and his mother’s maiden name.

I do have the mother Mary and 2 children living with Bryan and Margaret Noon (her parents) on the 1881 census in Warrington. Mary is using her married name (Mullins), she is listed as a widow again and is with her 2 children Sarah Mullins and John Mullins.

Part of me wonders if Bernard and John Jnr are the same people, both born in the same place and around the same time. Maybe for some reason he changed his name for a short period. I have John Mullins Jnr birth cert - he didn't have a middle name.

If anyone has time would they be willing to see if they can find any further evidence of the relationship please?

Thanks

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with a search please?

I've been researching my maternal Nanna's family line since the beginning of the year and it's been a difficult process as I wasn't able to find or verify much information on her fathers side. My G.GD didn't have a good relationship with his Dad and nobody in the family seems to know much about the history. So I've been trying really hard to find out as much as I can to solve the mysteries.

I made a bit of a break through last month which I was so excited about, but now I'm stuck again!!

This is where I'm at with this line of the family tree...

Irene Mullins (my Nanna)
b. 1930 Warrington, Cheshire
d. 2019 Warrington, Cheshire
|
Joseph Mullins (my G.GD)
b. 1903 Warrington, Cheshire
d. 1984 Warrington, Cheshire
|
John Mullins (my 2x G.GD)
b. 1870 Warrington, Cheshire
d. 1951 St. Helens, Cheshire
|
John Mullins (my 3x G.GD)
b. 1837  Galway, Ireland
d. unknown
|
Thomas Mullins (my 4x G.GD)
b. abt 1811 Ireland
d. 1878 Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire (?)


My brick wall is to do with my 4x G.GD Thomas Mullins (alt. spellings Mullin, Mullen, Mullings). I'd really like to find out who my 5x G.GParents are and whether there are any siblings etc

Thomas was married to Sabina - I know this from some census records I have:
1851 England Census - https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=8265297&ssrc=pt&tid=163816637&pid=232139021856&usePUB=true
1861 England Census - https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=19908870&ssrc=pt&tid=163816637&pid=232139021856&usePUB=true
1871 England Census - https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=6648409&ssrc=pt&tid=163816637&pid=232139021856&usePUB=true

From these records, I know Thomas and Sabina were born in Ireland and their approx. birth years.
I know they had 7 children - John, Thomas, Mary, Sally, Sarah, Margaret and Daniel.
(I do believe I have the correct census records as the address matches that of a birth certificate I have for my 2x G.GD's sister born in 1872 in Newcastle under Lyme)

I did a search on rootsireland.com - for these children with parents named Thomas and Sabina.
I found baptism records for John, Thomas and Mary - born in Galway, Ireland. (John being my 3x G.GD) - there were no other possible baptism records, and interestingly the mothers name was given as Sabina Murray.

So I searched on roostireland again for any marriage records for a Thomas and Sabina. I had originally thought Sabina's maiden name could be Quinn (based off Ancestry hints/possible records) ....and I found a marriage record for Thomas to Sabina Quinn...but if this was the correct marriage then they would have had their first 3 children born out of wedlock and I doubt they'd have been able to be baptised in this case.
There was only one other marriage record for Thomas marrying Sabina Murray in 1836 Galway, Ireland. I therefore believe this is the correct marriage record, and matches the baptism records I've found.
Sadly the marriage record doesn't give me any fathers names so I'm stuck on following this line further back now and don't know where to go from here.
There are witnesses on the record, but I don't know if these are siblings, other family members etc.

I've reached out to someone on Ancestry.com who seems to share the same family line on one of their trees, it came up as and Ancestry hint. However they have Sabina's maiden name as Quinn, where as I am certain it should be Murray. I've asked if they'd be able to share the research but not had much luck. On their tree they have Thomas Mullins with a baptism record from 1810, Kilkenny Ireland - https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/61039/05027_04_0048/4511618 - which gives fathers name as James Mullin. But I don't know if this is the correct info, and it actually looks like it says wife "Judy O'flan..."

Where do I go with my research now? There has to be more siblings, other family members etc surely. Would anyone be willing to dissect my long message and help with a lookup?

Thanks so much in advance