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« on: Tuesday 10 May 22 23:41 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
I'm working on a family tree for an elderly cousin, and have found one family particularly difficult to learn the particulars of. We have the following members/relationships:
William McGregor (b. 1840, South Shields, d. 1890, South Shields) - sometimes known as 'George' McGregor (more on this later)
Married Catherine Brown (b. 1841, Sunderland) on 17 Oct 1858, St Hilda's Church, South Shields
Three children:
Fanny McGregor (b. 1858, South Shields, d. 1863, South Shields)
Mary Ellen McGregor (b. 1859, South Shields, d. 1926, South Shields)
Catherine McGregor (b. 1861, South Shields, d. 1897, South Shields)
Married Margaret Liddle (b. 1847, Scotland) on 3 Nov 1864, St Hilda's Church, South Shields
Eight children:
John Robert Liddle McGregor (1866–1896)
Margaret Christina McGregor (1868–)
William McGregor (1870–1870)
Frances Liddle McGregor (1876–1925)
Jane Ann McGregor (1879–1963)
Ada Emily McGregor (1881–1972)
Lily McGregor (1883–1885)
Lily Agnes McGregor (1886–1932)
(All the children with Margaret were born in South Shields, except for William who was born and died in Hull.)
The main mysteries here are the fates of the wives. I have a marriage record for Catherine and she's living with William in the 1861 census. I presume Catherine must have died to free up William to marry Margaret, but I can find no corresponding death record. The nearest is for the death of a Catherine McGregor aged 21 in Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1861, but that can't be her since I've found a newspaper report from 1862 where William was charged with assaulting Catherine. So she was alive and with him in 1862, but I can't find any trace of her after that newspaper report about the assault.
In some ways, Margaret is even more mysterious. I have a record of her marriage to William in 1864, but I can't find a single census record where they were living together. In the 1871 census Margaret was living as a boarder with her children in Hull, and her profession was given as 'vocalist'. She gives her status as married. Unfortunately there's a report from Hull in 1869 of William badly beating Margaret, with him being charged to prison time and her asking for a separation - that's presumably why she was living separately from him in the 1871 census, and making her own way as a vocalist. There's a gap of six years in the births of her children, so perhaps the birth of Frances in 1876 indicates that they were back together then? Confusing things even more is that Margaret gives her status as 'widowed' in the 1881 census, but that's absolutely untrue since I have newspaper reports definitively confirming that William died in 1890. She would also go on to have further children throughout the 1880s who were considered to be William McGregor's. For example, in the 1891 census Lily Agnes is listed as living with her paternal half-sister Mary Ellen - that clearly indicates, to me, that she was considered to have the same father by close family.
As for William, the last census I can find him in is the one from 1861 - I can't find any trace of him from the censuses of 1871 and 1881. He's easier to track through newspapers as he was a relatively famous quoits player at the time, and there are lots of mentions of him. Bizarrely, I can find references to him as 'George McGregor' in reports of his death from 1890. His daughter Jane also gave her father's name as 'George McGregor' when she got married. I have no idea what that's about!
So I guess the questions I'm most looking for help with are:
1. Can anyone find out what happened to Catherine Brown after 1862? None of her children were living with her in the 1871 census (Mary Ellen and Catherine were with extended family), which leads me to believe she had likely died by then.
2. Can anyone find out what happened to Margaret Liddle after the birth of her last child in 1886, or indeed any information on her early life? All I have on that score is that she was born in Scotland in 1847, and her father's name was John Liddle. She wasn't living with any of her children in the 1891 census, which leads me to expect she probably died between 1886 and 1891.
3. Can anyone find William/George McGregor in the 1871 or 1881 censuses?
I've already researched this particular messy family situation quite extensively, and understand that there may be no further stones left to turn. Nonetheless, I'd be really interested if any users here can turn up any extra information I may have missed!