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Apologies for this super long post, but I am going to try and including/mention as much support material/sources as I have found to date to back up what I am researching.

Anyway, let’s start with the basic information – I am researching my great-great grandparents on my mum’s mum side.  Specifically, I am trying to workout once and for all who my great-great grandmother is.

My great grandfather, Horace Bailey, was born c. 1898 in Birmingham, Warwickshire.  I say circa, because his birth was never registered (apparently mum was sick and dad was away in the military so they ‘never got round to it’).  I have a birthdate of 26th September 1898, which was the date of birth he gave when he ensilsted in the Royal Marines.

Horace married in 1924, to Doris Margaret Kate Hoare.  He gave his father as John Charles Bailey, who’s occupation was a gas fitter.  (more details of this below)

I have search the National Archives, Horace and his son Ken went to Chatham House, when it held the archives, to try and find his certificate but never found it.  The was a Sydney Horace Bailey, born 17th December 1898 in Birmingham, but that is not him – his (Sydney Horace) parents are Philip Henry Bailey and Ada Bailey formerly Mason.  Philip was a Brass Worker (Journeyman).

In 1894, I have a marriage between William Henry Bailey (20 year old bachelor) and Annie Martin (26 year old spinster). The marriage took place at the Register Office in Birmingham, in the county of Birmingham.  William gave his father has John Charles Bailey and Annie gave hers as Joseph Martin.  William and John Charles gave their occupations as gas fitter, Joseph was a chandelier fitter.  William was residing at Curzon Hall, Suffolk Street, and Annie at 58 Suffolk Street, Birmingham.  Witnesses were Elizabeth Brown and Charles Derwitt.

The earliest record I have for Horace is the 1901 census.  William, his wife Lizzie and Horace are boarding with the Suckling family in Basall Heath, Birmingham, England. The record reference is RG13, Piece 2813, Folio 137, Page 7

Hi

I'm trying to trace the parents of Samuel Jones (my 4x great grandfather).

Samuel was baptised in Wolvey in July 1795.

Samuel is one of 6 children, the eldest is Mary, who was baptised on 31 Jan 1790, also on Wolvey.

Their parents are called John and Elizabeth.

Also, according to IGI, John and Elizabeth had 2 sons by the name of Michael.  One born 1798 and the other 1800.  Both were baptised on 20 July of the respected years.  Could i be right in thinking these could be 2 of the same person

Roz

My great grandfather, Horace BAILEY (known in family as Bill) was in the Marines.

according to his military records, which i have been able to get copies of, he was born on 26 september 1898 - in Birmingham.  When he signed up, on 12 april 1916, his next of kin is named as a Mrs A Bailey, of 11 middle street, peckham, London - mother, 2/5/1917.

having spoken to family and friends, it is most common to use father as next of kin - unless of course he is either signed up in military as well or deceased.  And it is common for kids to lie about their age (especially at this time) in order to enter the military.

he married on boxing day 1924 (this is confirmed by marriage certificate)., aged 26  yet, his father is listed as william henry bailey - and assuming, stilll living.

He died on 5 feb 1964 (confirmed on military information and death certificate).

I have searched all the birth records and approaced the birmingham records office and no one can find him

what's puzzling me is:

* he signed up DURING the great war - unless dad is away fighting, deceased or disagreed with son signing up - why was mum listed as next of kin

* did he lie - about age,  date and plae of birth, to enter marines?

* is father on marriage certificate real, another relative or false?

if anyone can help  please email me at email address removed by moderator - please use the secure Rootschat personal message system to exchange personal email addresses - thankyou
roz

I am trying to trace my great grandfather, Horace BAILEY.

According to his military papers, he was born in Birmingham on 26 september 1898.

His next of kin at the time was Mrs A Bailey - his mother, who was living in London.

Is it possible to find if he has a baptism record?  (I am skint at the moment and can't afford to purchase any of his certificates.)

he married in rochford, essex in 1924 and died in 1964

Roz