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Inverness / Finding Captain Thomas "Tomm" Fraser
« on: Wednesday 11 September 19 16:26 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Can anyone identify who and where this Captain Thomas Fraser was from?

I am researching my 5x great grandmother Mary Fraser who was married to a Captain John McKenzie (Master Mariner).  They had two children at Groam near Kirkhill.  I am unsure if it's the cottages or the actual farm.  Children born at Groam were Hugh, who was baptized on 2 Jul 1775 and Margaret, who was baptized on 22 Jul 1777. 

Next they have a son John born at Culachan near Kiltarlity, who was baptized on 9 Jun 1779.  Witnesses to the baptism were Donald Fraser of Culachan and Alexander Fraser of Dalnamine.  Alexander was a similar age to Mary since they were having children about the same time.  Descendants of Alexander went to Pictou county in Nova Scotia where quite a few Fraser families went, including relatives of my Mary. 

Alexander Fraser of Dalnamine was a gamekeeper for General Simon Fraser and lived at Dalnamine house which I believe is on the estate of Belladrum.  Alexander was a witness in the trial of a son or grandson which was trying to claim the title of Lord Lovat by stating his father was Alexander Fraser, the son of Thomas Fraser of Beaufort, who didn't die in 1689/1692, but rather had escaped to Wales and fathered a family which also had many descendants that ended up going to Nova Scotia, Canada.

Alexander Fraser of Dalnamine had said he learned of the story of Alexander Fraser, son of Thomas of Beaufort, from his father, who was a servant to Lord Lovat, and how Alexander, son of Thomas Fraser of Beaufort killed a bagpipper or fiddler with a dirk because of a song he took to mean insult to his father Thomas Fraser of Beaufort. 

In the book, "Simon Fraser, Lord Lovat, his Life and Times"
by Mackenzie, W. C. (William Cook), 1862-1952, there is mentioned of a servant that was with Lovat named Captain Thomas Fraser who was written as "Tomm" in Sir John MacLean's letters.  I cannot find any information about Sir John MacLean's letters nor can I find more information about Captain Thomas Fraser, whom I suspect could be Alexander Fraser of Delnamine's father.  I am trying to establish information on Captain Thomas to either prove or disprove my speculation.

I've included the links to the sources and photos of the parts of the information.  All sources are available on the internet at the provided links.

Source 1: (https://archive.org/details/simonfraserlordl00mackuoft/page/106)

Source 2:
(https://books.google.ca/books?id=DhpDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA325&lpg=PA325&dq=%22alexander+fraser%22+%22dalnamine%22&source=bl&ots=V1AF8GXTfz&sig=ACfU3U2jS5IpzvtKUvwUMDJseEFnpBPn7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjr-NXo-8bkAhVHwVkKHYy2DJkQ6AEwDXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22alexander%20fraser%22%20%22dalnamine%22&f=true)

Source 3: https://books.google.ca/books?id=FGQyAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=%22dalnamine%22&source=bl&ots=iAIGIHda0n&sig=ACfU3U2LSeSE_hq9ZtP4qww618QhaKkwaQ&hl#v=onepage&q&f=false




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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Residence place of parents - Help
« on: Saturday 27 July 19 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

This is a birth record for my 5x great uncle.  It is the only baptism that has information on it as to residence for both the family and the witnesses.  The place on the record that is listed as the residence of the parents is "Culakine".  This would be near Kiltarlity.  I have found Dalnamine/Delnamine. 

The baptism can be found here:
09/06/1779 MCKENZIE, JOHN (Old Parish Registers Births 101/ 10 208 Kiltarlity) Page 208 of 334

Someone that knows quite a bit about place names and impact of spelling said that it was likely a place near Fanellan called Culachan. 

Two other baptisms from Kirkhill for the same couple place a son Hugh in 1775 and daughter Margaret in 1777 located at "Groam".  I'm assuming it could be the cottages for the farm or possibly some kind of tenancy to the farm Groam near by. 

John McKenzie on the record was a Master Mariner (as per daughter Annabella's death record).  He was also a tenant farmer in some years according to another death record for daughter Ann who died in Applecross.

I'm about ready to rip my hair out, so if anyone has any clue that can help or to confirm Culachan as that place, and even possibly an exact location on a map, I'd be very grateful. 


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Lanarkshire / Robert Christie, witness, in the Cotton Spinners Trial of 1838
« on: Wednesday 15 August 18 16:24 BST (UK)  »
In early January of 1838, in Glasgow, there was a trial put on for the murder of John Smith.  Robert Christie was a witness in the trial and gave his testimony which is preserved in books (I think for learning law?).  I have found just about every major article in every newspaper on the trial in Ireland, England, and Scotland.  I found a sketch of some of the people from the trial in one of those articles.

I am curious if there is some way to see if there are sketches from the trial itself of Robert Christie or the others in the trial.  I'm also curious if copies of the original trial can be obtained?

Robert Christie disappeared from Glasgow shortly after the trial.  His son Dr. John Christie ended up in bumpkin country no where in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada where he lived out his life until his death in the 1860's.  His reputation still is known about the local people of where he lived. 

Any help would be amazing. 


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I am wondering if anyone here has any knowledge of the Gairloch McKenzie family?

According to the History of the MacKenzies under the following: "IX.  SIR  ALEXANDER MACKENZIE, the second Baronet", it is stated "Sir Alexander had also a natural son, Charles Mackenzie, ancestor of the later Mackenzies of Sand, and two natural daughters, one of whom, Annabella, by a daughter of Maolmuire, or Miles Macrae, of the family of Inverinate, married John Ban Mackenzie, by whom she had a daughter, Marsali or Marjory, who married John Mor Og Mackenzie (Ian Mor  Aireach), son of John Mor Mackenzie, grandson of Alexander Cam Mac-kenzie, fourth son of Alexander, V. of Gairloch, in whose favour Sir Alexander granted the lease of North Erradale, already referred to.  The other daughter, known as "Kate Gairloch,"who lived to a very old age, unmarried, was provided for in comfortable lodgings and with a suitable allowance by the heads of the family." 

Moving on there a group of about 34 of us that we know of that all descend from a William 'Weaver' McKenzie of Sand/Melvaig/North Erradale area of Gairloch through 3 sons and 1 speculative (and very likely) daughter.  Two family lines have proven a Y chromosome that is a 0 step match back to William 'Weaver' McKenzie.  We also show inter matches with the family of Duncan 'Ban' McKenzie (also a Weaver) from the North Erradale/Melvaig area of Gairloch.  As well there is a Kenneth McKenzie of North Carolina highly inter matching.  At this point, I speculate that the father of Duncan Ban McKenzie, Alexander McKenzie, Kenneth McKenzie of North Carolina, and William Weaver McKenzie might be brothers and possibly sons or nephews of Charles MacKenzie listed above. 

I did manage to find a letter that Kenneth McKenzie had written back to Scotland on ancestry.com which was posted by another descendant and that record states,

"State of North Carolina
Robson County
Decem'r 28th 1786

Dear Cousin

I take this oppty' to inform you that I am well and all my family thanks be to God for all it hoping these lines will find you in the same condition. As for my children that I had when I left my native country they are in life and besides them I have goten four more, two sons and two daughters, Kenneth and Margaret were twins, the other two are Janet and Alexander.

I bought a place when I first came to this country but I was forced to retire from their by reason of bad people - and moved five times in five years time. But I have now purchased a place in Robinson County upon the marsh where I expected peace and quiteness.

I desire you to inform me concerning my brother Ivander whether he is in lefe or not for I have not heard of him since I came to this place. I'm very much concerned that I have not heard concerning my relations since I came from there. I would be glad to know how Don'd MacKenneth and his wife is and Alex'r my Brother. I desire to be informed concerning Sir Hector MacKenneth, Laird of Gairlock.

My Compts to you and all friends - I am with regard your friend and Servt,
(signed) Kenneth MacKenneth

Direct your letter to the care of Alex'r MacIver in Crosscreek"

Further up underneath "IX.  SIR  ALEXANDER MACKENZIE, the second Baronet" is stated,

"6.  Kenneth of Millbank, factor and Tutor to Sir Hector, the fourth Baronet of Gairloch, during the last few years of his minority.  He married Anne, daughter of Alexander Mackenzie of Tolly, with issue - (1) Alexander, County Clerk of Ross-shire, who married, and had issue - Alexander, in New Zealand; Kenneth, who married twice, in India, and died in 1877; and Catherine, who married Murdo Cameron, Leanaig, with surviving issue - one son, Alexander; (2) Janet, who married the Rev. Dr John Macdonald, of Ferintosh, the famous "Apostle of the North," with issue; (3) Catherine, who married Alexander Mackenzie, a merchant in London, and grandson of Alexander Mackenzie of Tolly, with issue - an only daughter, Catherine, who married Major Roderick Mackenzie, VII. of Kincraig, with issue; (4) Jane, who, in 1808, married the Rev. Hector Bethune, minister of Dingwall, with issue - Colonel Bethune, who died without issue; the Rev. Angus Bethune, Rector of Seaham; Alexander Mackenzie Bethune, Secretary of the Peninsular and Oriental Navigation Company, married, without issue; and a daughter, Jane, who married the late Francis Harper, Torgorm.  Mrs Bethune died in 1878, aged 91 years."

If you notice the "Sir Hector McKenneth" in the letter from above it is the same Sir Hector MacKenzie listed in this section of genealogy.

Charles MacKenzie would be the appropriate age to have fathered the three men who's descendants are now inter matching.  I am interested in more information on this family to see how these three men could be descended in the tree or if they are indeed the children of Charles MacKenzie. 

The Y test used on FTDNA shows a significant mutation which resides in the male direct lines of the MacKenzies of Gairloch. 

Thank you to anyone who can help with more knowledge on the families.  I'm very interested in trying (even if it just ends up as speculation in my private notes) on trying to find the connection between Duncan Ban McKenzie's father Alexander McKenzie, Kenneth McKenzie of North Carolina, and William 'Weaver' McKenzie. 

Jessie

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Ross & Cromarty / Gravestone epitaph to help find a family line?
« on: Sunday 16 April 17 13:01 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

So our family has done the whole DNA thing from different parts of the family and have a Y chromosome match at a 0 step 67 Y marker test from FTDNA and the farthest we can go back is to a Captain John Smuggler McKenzie.  My line stayed in Nova Scotia and all the others went to New Zealand.  I also share autosomal DNA as well as other testers in my family with members of this family in New Zealand.  I match as a 4th cousin to the 0 step match.

Onto the gravestone:  It is McKenzie with a stag's head and two cinquefoils.  The cinquefoils are one on each side of the stag's head.  In heraldry, we know the stag's head was used in the McKenzies.  There were also cinquefoils used.  It was confirmed that our Y chromosome is of the McKenzie core descendants (means some variation of the chief line, but probably not the carriers of the titles). 

What I'm trying to find out is if anyone out there knows any professionals or experienced people that understand this heraldry on epitaphs and could give their opinion of what this could mean. 

Does it mean birth order?  What part of the family our ancestor comes from? 

Thank you if anyone can help.

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Inverness / Curries of South Uist
« on: Friday 27 January 17 23:38 GMT (UK)  »
I'm looking for information on an Alexander Currie. He was from South Uist and came to Cape Breton in the 1820's. He married Ann McIntyre in 1833 here (I have a record for that) and was Roman Catholic.

In the book "A West Wind to East Bay" on page 58 it states, "Another Currie family that originated in East Bay, but eventually settled in Glace Bay, was that of ALEXANDER Currie. I am told that his father's name was Duncan and that his mother was a MacDonald, but I have been unable to verify this or make any connection with the other Currie families we are discussing. Alexander was born in South Uist and was drowned along with his brother-in-law off Glace Bay According to the records of Sacred Heart Parish, Sydney, he married Anne MacIntyre in 1833. They had at leaset ten children: I. Angus; II. Sandy; III. Mary Sarah; IV. Mary Ann; V Jane; the twins, VI. Daniel and VII. Mary; VIII. Ronald; IX. Catherine; and X. Joseph." It then goes on to discuss the children and their descendants. I do have a death record for Alexander.
Interestingly enough a witness to Alexander (who was also called Alex at times) was a man named Ronald (Renald Curry on Alexander's marriage record) Currie, whom I am assuming was a brother or cousin.

On page 55 of the same book Ronald is listed as Raonull and it states the following: "There was a family of Curries settled at Gillis Lake. This was the family of RAONULL Curry, son of Domhnull, son of Iain, son of Domhnull, of Druimmor, South Uist. He was born in Scotland, but died before the 1871 census and, so, I have no dates for him." It goes on to list who he married and their descendants.

Than later on page 62 of the same book it goes on to state: "The next family of Curries to be treated here is the family of LACHLANN mac IAIN 'ic DHONNCHAIDH 'ic SHEUMAIS ("Laughlin, son of John, son of Duncan, son of James"). He was born in Scotland and came and settled in the backlands of North Side East Bay between MacAdam's Lake and Steele's Crossing. I don't know who his wife was and I believe he died shortly after coming to this country. He had at least two children that I know of: OIGHRIG; and LACHLANN. I have been told that there were at least three other children: DOMHNULL; DOMHNULL BAN; and AGNES, but of these I know nothing more. There is the possibility that one of these Domhnulls was the father of Raonull Currie, who settled at Gillis Lake. In one of his articles in The Casket Michael D. Currie said that Raonull's father was Domhnull mac Iain 'ic Dhomhnuill. There could have been a typographical error introduced when Michael D.'s letter was being transcribed for printing at the newspaper office. Perhaps it should have read "Domhnull mac Iain 'ic Dhonnchaidh". I have not been able to locate Michael D.'s papers, so I cannot compare the originals with the newspaper articles."

I am trying to find out if there is more information on my Alexander and how he pertains to the Curries of South Uist.

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Ross & Cromarty / Gairloch McKenzies - my branch
« on: Monday 23 November 15 17:33 GMT (UK)  »
Looking for any information on the following man before 1838 in Gairloch.  He may have been married in Gairloch before a second marriage in Nova Scotia with a first wife dying in Nova Scotia.  Oldest three children are listed as born in Scotland, so he may not have came over to Nova Scotia until 1847ish.

My 3x Great Grandfather has the following family:

Alexander 'Sandy' McKenzie b. 4 Dec 1817 (could be variance in years as suggested on census records) and d. 25 Jan 1912 in Dominion #4, Glace Bay, NS.

He married Isabel Elizabeth Annabel "Bella" McGregor about 1838 either in Scotland or Nova Scotia.  There is a chance that she is a second wife and was even born in Nova Scotia. B. about 1826 (varies on census records up to 1833 which is why I think she could be a second wife) and d. 1 Oct 1911 in Dominion #3, Glace Bay, Nova Scotia.

Alexander's children are as follows:

Catherine (1838-1887) b. Scotland d. Boston, MA, USA
Annabell (1845-1929) b. Scotland d. Glace Bay, NS
Colin (1846-?) b. Scotland d. USA
Malcolm (1853-1918) b. Nova Scotia d. Bronx, NY, USA
Annie (1855-?) b. Nova Scotia d. Boston, MA, USA
Murdock "Murdo" (1860-1902) b. Nova Scotia d. Boston, USA
Jessie Isabel (1864-1942) - my 2x Great Gran and name sake :) b. Nova Scotia d. Glace Bay, NS, Canada
William (1866-1877) b. Nova Scotia d. Manhattan, NY, USA

In 1871 they're listed as living in Little Narrows.  They had land on Hunter's Mountain for a while.  In 1881 they're living in Lingan.  1891 sees them in Glace Bay.  1901 they're living in Glace Bay next door to Donald/Daniel Lynk and his wife Jessie McKenzie.  In 1911 they're living with Donald/Daniel Lynk and his wife Jessie.

I can't get any further back, but there is also a Donald/Duncan and family that lived in Baddeck.  Donald/Duncan's parents were Colin McKenzie and Mary McLenan.  Not sure if this is any connection to my Alexander but I found it interesting.  There was also a William living in Middle River that also immigrated in 1838 like my Alexander and they all have the same/similar family names.

Where it gets interesting is that all my top cousin matches so far have been 4th cousins via McKenzie in New Zealand and Australia!  That was a surprise.  Two families that have been tracked to were the Weaver McKenzies and the Smuggler McKenzies. 

My thing is that my Nannie (great grandaughter to my Alexander) had mentioned that our McKenzies were Weaver McKenzies.  This came about while talking with her and my aunt when during the week before my step grandfather passed away.  It came about after her mentioning about the Cooper McNeils and I had a crash course about Clan nicknames.

All my top matches also have Weaver McKenzies.

My Alexander is listed on his death registration as being born in Gairloch. 

If you have done your DNA my gedmatch kit # is M260700.  I would love to get in touch anyone  that shares DNA with these particular groups of McKenzies or others that may match up.

Jessie Ross

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