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Kent / JENKINS Licensee of The Prospect Inn/Hotel 1792

« on: Tuesday 26 May 20 22:04 BST (UK) »

Hi there, this is a new line of enquiry for me with my JENKINS line so my first time on this board.

My Jenkins line were mainly based in Birmingham and the ancestor I am interested in and have drawn a blank with is WILLIAM JENKINS b. circa 1800.

Until last week all I knew was that he was 'Not of the County' in the 1841 CS he appeared on in Birmingham, living with his wife ELIZABETH nee YARDLEY and their children. I found a possible marriage between an Elizabeth Yardley and a William JENKINS in York St Margarets in 1830 which I was always suspicious of because it was so far from Birmingham.

I have his death certificate from 1849 where he died (buried Birmingham St Bartholemews) just before his last child was born. Via the wonders of Ancestry DNA I have had contact with a JENKINS descendent who is in possession of the JENKINS family bible transported to Toronto by the elderly, widowed Elizabeth Jenkins in the 1870s. I am so excited by this discovery! I have looked for her burial but had no clue that she emigrated to Canada in her late 60s so this is a huge breakthrough.

I am awaiting some scans of the bible but it would appear that it is written in it that WILLIAM JENKINS was born in 1799 in St Johns parish Margate, Kent and was born in the Prospect Hotel in Zion place. This is a major breakthrough after 10 years of family history research.

I immediately did some quick research online and found that in 1792 the Licensee of this property was a John JENKINS. I am obviously excited by this but not getting too excited because Jenkins was as common a surname in Kent as it appears to be in Birmingham.

I was just wondering what I should do next. I looked to see if there were parish records online and it appears that there might be some on Find my Past. I am not a subscriber to this site and wondered whether it would be worth my while asking for a Look Up. I wanted to introduce myself on this board first. I am just wondering whether there were any other records I could be looking up, Are there local Kent that might have further details on Licensees? My local library (in Glasgow) provides free access to the British Newspaper Archive and I would love to explore this and see if there are any local papers online from this period. Unfortunately the access is only provided on site so I won't be accessing that until the libraries open again.

Any help or advice on where I should take my research next would be gratefully received!

Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Marriage record for St Margaret's, Walmgate, York - YARDLEY/JENKINS

« on: Tuesday 13 March 18 00:00 GMT (UK) »

Hello there, first time on the Yorkshire boards for me. I have found a marriage for my ancestor WILLIAM JENKINS who, from Census records, was born in approximately 1801. He was married to an ELIZABETH JENKINS and they lived and had their family in and around the Birmingham/Walsall area and were heavily involved in the Saddlery industry. The only record I have of William Jenkins on the census is in the 1841 one where the family are living in Aston and he has said 'No' as to 'whether born in same county'. So he wasn't born in Warwickshire but no clue as to where he was born. He is dead by the 1851 Census. I've found a burial for a William Jenkins in 1849 in St Bartholemew's in Birmingham and am going to do some digging around that date

I have found a marriage between a WILLIAM JENKINS and an ELIZABETH YARDLEY that took place on 20 Jun 1831 at ST MARGARET'S, YORK. This was gleaned from familysearch.org.

My question is this. If I were to get access to the parish record itself would it give me any other information such as the names of both sets of parents? I'm confused as to how the York connection has come about (if, indeed, this is my ancestor's marriage). William's occupation was that of a railway porter and the family mythology was that he hailed from Wales which may be the case.

ELIZABETH YARDLEY definitely hails from Birmingham.

Any advice will be gratefully received!

Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Look up Request St Phillips Birmingham - JENKINS

« on: Friday 20 January 17 23:33 GMT (UK) »

Hello,
I have just picked up my family history research into the Jenkins again after a break of many years. Going back meticulously over the research I carried out I realise I may have made a mistake and adopted a relative that doesn't belong to me.

My Gt Gt Grandfather JOHN JENKINS was born circa 1830 according to census records 1891/1881/1871. In 1871 he is living in Walsall Staffs/St Matthews Parish with his wife my Great Gt Gt Grandmother CATHERINE JENKINS (nee Slaney) along with my Gt Grandfather FRED JENKINS and a heap of siblings. They all work in the saddlery trade. Unfortunately I stumbled across another JOHN JENKINS in an 1861 CS who was born the same year, did the same job and had a mother called Elizabeth and I think I followed this family back mistakenly to the 1841 CS where it was revealed that his father was a WILLIAM JENKINS. I've got a horrible feeling this might be the wrong family.

Someone kindly did a look-up request for me in 2008 for a John Jenkins who was baptised in St Martins but I think this is the JOHN JENKINS belonging to the wrong 1861/51/41 censuses.

So I wonder if anyone who has the opportunity could possibly look up the following person I found yesterday on IGI:
JOHN JENKINS born 28/12/30 baptised 30/9/1831 with a mother Elizabeth and a father JOHN in St Phillips Birmingham. I'm particularly interested to see if there any other children or relatives within this parish.

I've ordered up a marriage certificate for JOHN JENKINS and CATHERINE SLANEY and am hopeful this will confirm the right parentage.

(I am sure it was an Ian that helped me last time - will have to look through my correspondence and old messages!)

World War One / Could my Grandfather be wearing the wrong uniform??

« on: Friday 05 September 14 17:47 BST (UK) »

I have a photo of my Grandfather HERBERT F JENKINS (born 16 NOV 1889 in Walsall) in his uniform taken some time during WW1. It's a simple studio head and shoulders shot taken by "Imperial Studio" Bradford Street, Walsall. No date or other info.

Family lore says that he joined the Army Pay Corps of the South Staffs Regiment and was in the Battle of the Somme. He was a clever man and taught himself French and German and apparently because of his language skills moved to a more front-line position and helped in the exchange of bodies in No Man's Land and in the exchange of prisoners.

I've just started trying to find out more and looked again at his photo. Looking at the cap badge I can see that it isn't a South Staffs cap badge and research shows that it is in fact the badge of the Royal Hampshire regiment.

I am baffled. We have no connection to Hampshire, Walsall is nowhere near it but then again I have no idea if he went away from the Walsall area between last seeing him on 1901 CS as an 11 year old in Walsall and his marriage in 1924 (35 yrs old) in Walsall. I suppose he could have moved away to the area served by the Royal Hampshire Regiment?

Wondered if he may have gone along to a studio and got given the cap to wear? Or whether I should start seriously researching the Royal Hampshire Regiment connection.

Any pointers/theories gratefully received. I've been away from RootsChat for a few years but am starting my research again. Must admit to being clueless as far as WW1 research is concerned but will have a good look in this area as I'm sure it's a mine of information

Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Can someone look an original City of York PR for me please?

« on: Friday 30 July 10 15:54 BST (UK) »

I've been curious about a marriage between a WILLIAM JENKINS and an ELIZABETH YARDLEY in 1831 in the City of York that I found on IGI. I posted about it in the beginners section originally and got some interesting info from someone called Luzzu. She wrote the following:

TheCity of York marriage index (1701-1837) gives the marriage as
William Jenkins and Elizabeth GARDLEY 20 Jun 1831 at St Margarets

I'm pretty certain that my Gt Gt Gt Grandmother's maiden name was YARDLEY because I have a birth certificate for one of her children - I can see however, that the letter Y could be misconstrued as a G in the fancy cursive writing. OR of course this could be a GARDLEY and a completely different person in which case I can close this line of enquiry.

Is there anyone who would be willing to have a look at a microfiche of the original Parish Register and let me know what they think? If it could be a Yardley it would be intesting to know if they are of the parish. My Jenkins ancestors are all Birmingham/Walsall based so I am veering off into unknown territory in York!

I'd be grateful for any help and advice on this even if it was just to point me in the direction of local archives! Thanks, Edinjam

Family History Programs, Tree Organisation, Presentation / Tree on GenesReunited - help needed please!

« on: Saturday 13 March 10 17:01 GMT (UK) »

Hello,

I have a tree that I've built on GR - it's not huge (less than 200 names) but I am very mindful that this is the only place it exists.

All I want to do is to create that tree again on my computer in a form that I can send to other relatives (without them having to subscribe to GR)

As I write, I do not have any software that builds a tree - I keep seeing recommendations to sites that link up with Ancestry but really don't want to build another tree that is locked in to another internet site. I just want something that is easy to use, easy on the eye and that preferably does not involve parting with lots of cash.

I have a fair few notes attached to the GR tree but can always retranscribe these elsewhere if they are not exportable.

I am sure this is a question that has been asked before and apologies in advance if it is all explained elsewhere.

Thanks! edinjam

Yorkshire (West Riding) / St Margaret York and Nether Chapel Norfolk Street query

« on: Wednesday 27 January 10 14:10 GMT (UK) »

Hello there - didn't quite know where to put this query or what to call it but wondered if anyone would be able to enlighten me.

My Great Great Great Grandfather was WILLIAM JENKINS living in Deritend Birmingham at the time of the 1841 cs - born in 1801 according to that census and allegedly born in the county. He was married to an ELIZABETH YARDLEY also allegedly of the county born circa 1810.

I have been stumped by this couple because although I can find plenty of records of the christening of their children in Birmingham, I can't find any record of William's birth or his marriage to Elizabeth in the city. Admittedly, all I have tried so far is the IGI and I know its limitations!

However, in my searches I have found a tantalizing IGI record of a marriage between an ELIZABETH YARDLEY and a WILLIAM JENKINS as follows:

20 June 1831 - marriage between ELIZABETH YARDLEY, WILLIAM JENKINS
St Margaret York, Yorkshire, England (batch no. M108661 1813-1836)

The date fits perfectly and I was rather excited to find it.

I then searched for a birth of a WILLIAM JENKINS circa 1801 in the Yorkshire area on the IGI and it came up with the following:

Male christening 13 July 1801
William Jenkins
Nether Chapel, Norfolk Street, Independent

What I want to find out is whether these two churches/chapels have any proximity to each other. Are they even of the same denomination? What denomination is Nether Chapel - is it Methodist or Baptist? I am woefully ignorant about this aspect of things

Even if you can't help me out on the Jenkins/Yardley question I would be very appreciative if there was anyone on this board who could shed some light about these two churches.

Many thanks!

Family History Beginners Board / Suggestions as to what I could do next please?! YARDLEY/JENKINS

« on: Monday 18 May 09 15:52 BST (UK) »

Hello there - am feeling a bit stumped at the moment regarding my YARDLEY/JENKINS search - I've hopefully linked correctly to a previous post I made back last year.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/06bv/

I've basically ended up tracing a marriage between my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather WILLIAM JENKINS (c.1801) and ELIZABETH YARDLEY - I found it on the IGI details as follows:

20 June 1831
St Margaret York, Yorkshire England
Extract - batch no. M108661, source call no. 0990874, Print out 6911167

Now, as stated in the linked post above, my JENKINS line lived in and around BIRMINGHAM in the first half of the 19th century (in Deritend and Aston in the main) before settling in WALSALL, STAFFS. I had no luck finding a birth for WILLIAM JENKINS although census records indicate a birth year of around 1801. His children were baptised in St Martins Birmingham but there was no record of them marrying there (or I can't find one) and I can't find his baptism there.

So this marriage record from York is quite intriguing. I don't know what to do next though.

Wondered if some more experienced Rootschat people could suggest what they would do next?

I live quite near to a LDS centre and wondered whether if I ordered up the record what would I get? Would I get any more information?

Or, if I contacted the Yorkshire archives for the right area would they hold the parish register and would I glean anymore information from that? I've had a search for that church - it would appear it now houses an Early English music centre.

Any helpful suggestions gratefully received

Family History Beginners Board / Should I get excited by this??!

« on: Saturday 29 November 08 17:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi there

I have hit a complete wall with my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather WILLIAM JENKINS born circa 1801, last seen living with his wife in Aston/Deritend Birmingham - says he was born in the county but have found no record so far - have looked in the parish that all their children were baptised (St Martins, Birmingham) but no sign of birth or his marriage to his wife Elizabeth.

Anyway today I got one of their children's birth certificates (couldn't have my own Gt Gt Grandfathers because he predated civil registration) and discovered that his wife's maiden name was ELIZABETH YARDLEY. According to the census she was born abt. 1810.

I looked on IGI for any Elizabeth Yardleys - there were quite a few - but when I looked for her under marriages I stumbled across a marriage between an ELIZABETH YARDLEY and a WILLIAM JENKINS in 1831. Now my Great Great Grandfather was born 14/9/1830 but was not baptised until 20/12/1832 in St Martin's Birmingham at the same time as another infant sibling.

The thing is, this JENKINS/YARDLEY marriage took place on 20/6/1831 ...in YORK (St Margaret's) (IGI extract)

I don't know how much more I can find out about this - but should I be excited? How likely is it that someone called William Jenkins married a woman called Elizabeth Yardley at a very similar time in history?

I know the shortcomings of the IGI but what are the chances of this happening???