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Dublin / Glencree reformatory records & Dublin ships crew records
« on: Monday 23 April 18 13:19 BST (UK)  »
I think I have found my great great grandfather William Fleming in court in Dublin in 1868 as a 13 year old and being sent off to Glencree Reformatory for 5 years. He had a tattoo on his left hand of an 'F' according to the document I've seen and committed the crime with two other boys who all three were orphans and living at various addresses in Loftus Lane.

Does anybody know if there are any records I can access from Glencree regarding his time there 1868-73?

And also, any ideas why would three orphans all under 15 be living at 5, 9 and 3 Loftus Lane? What was there in the 1860s?

I think he would have gone on to join the merchant navy after leaving Glencree - or at least hopped on a ship to Liverpool - as he was there and getting married by 1878 and listed his occupation as 'mariner'. What records are there between 1873 and 1878 regarding ships crews going between Dublin and Liverpool?

Thanks in advance!

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Lancashire / Walton Gaol - 1891 - Court Records? Prison register?
« on: Sunday 22 April 18 19:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi
My GG Grandfather was in Walton Gaol in the 1891 census. His name was William Fleming, he was a sailor/mariner and he was born 1855/6/7 in Ireland.
As far as I can tell he wasn't in for long because he was in the Electoral Register at his home address for 1889-90 and had a child born in Apr-May-Jun 1892.
I've searched the newspaper reports from the Liverpool Assizes and Police Courts and can't find any mention of him. There is also no sign of him in the Criminal Register on Ancestry. How else can I find out what he was in for?
Are there any records from the prison itself in existence for that period? Liverpool Record office say they don't have any, but they could be somewhere else?

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Walton Gaol 1891 - court records? prisoner register?
« on: Sunday 22 April 18 19:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi
My GG Grandfather was in Walton Gaol in the 1891 census. His name was William Fleming, he was a sailor/mariner and he was born 1855/6/7 in Ireland.
As far as I can tell he wasn't in for long because he was in the Electoral Register at his home address for 1889-90 and had a child born in Apr-May-Jun 1892.
I've searched the newspaper reports from the Liverpool Assizes and Police Courts and can't find any mention of him. There is also no sign of him in the Criminal Register on Ancestry. How else can I find out what he was in for?
Are there any records from the prison itself in existence for that period? Liverpool Record office say they don't have any, but they could be somewhere else?

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Lancashire / Illegitimacy? Bigamy? Advice and Help Needed!
« on: Tuesday 03 March 09 12:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have a mysterious ancestor whose name seemed to change half way through his life and I would very much appreciate everyone's advice as I can't seem to figure it out.

The details I have are:
1850 –   Marriage Cert – July 17th
James Ashworth Spencer married Mary Ann Walch in Bolton (residence = Egerton)
James’ surname is Spencer but he gives his father’s name as Robert Ashworth
James’ profession is ‘Factory Hand’

1850 –   BMD - Oct-Nov-Dec
Son, Eli Spencer born - Bolton

1851 –    Census
Mary Ann Spencer living with her family in Egerton with baby Eli
James Spencer lodging in Radcliffe – his profession is ‘Watchman’

1852 –   Birth Cert – Sept 27th
Son, John Spencer born, Egerton – his father’s profession is ‘Crofter’

1852 –   BMD – Oct-Nov-Dec
Son, Eli Spencer dies - Bolton

THEN

1861 –   Census
James ASHWORTH living in Radcliffe with new wife Ellen
Son, John is now called John ASHWORTH
They have a 1 yr old daughter, Betty
James’ new profession is Manufacturing Chemist

1871 –   Census
James Spencer Ashworth, Manufacturing Chemist, living in Radcliffe with new wife Mary
Several more children. All, including his wife seem to have the middle initial S (presumably Spencer).
His mother is living with them – she is called Mary ASHWORTH (without the Spencer).

1881 –   Census
James S. Ashworth, Manufacturing Chemist Master, living in Radcliffe with another new wife, Margaret. Again, whole family including wife have middle initial S for Spencer.
His son John has a family by this point - they are all called Spencer Ashworth.

1890 -   Death Certificate
Name = James Spencer Ashworth

So you see, his surname changes from Spencer to Ashworth between his first and second wives at about the time he moves from the Turton/Egerton area over to Radcliffe and marries his second wife. Could this be to cover up bigamy? I can't find the death of Mary Ann Spencer anywhere but I cannot find her in any later censuses either.

He seems to have been illegitimate as his surname was Spencer but his father's surname was Ashworth on his marriage certificate. However, when his mother is living with him in 1871, her surname is Ashworth, which doesn't make any sense. As he was born in 1832, I cannot get his birth certificate and I can't find the parish records for Turton/Edgworth - a trip to the Bolton record office may be in order.

Also his name change seems to coincide with a change in his fortunes when he goes from fairly lowly jobs to being a manufacturing chemist. His chemical works seems to have been very successful and by the time his son John (who took over the family business) died, the estate was worth the equivalent of nearly £2 million when translated into today's money.

His children, grandchildren, etc. all kept Spencer as a middle name and some relatives are still called Spencer Ashworth today - but no one seems to know why.

So there you go! Any theories as to what happened here will be very welcome! Bigamy? Illegitimacy? Maybe his father left him some money to set up his business on the condition that he changed his name to Ashworth. But could you just change your name willy-nilly in those days or would you have to do it officially?

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Lancashire / Anyone going to St James Church, Calderbrook?
« on: Thursday 05 February 09 13:17 GMT (UK)  »
If anybody is, I would be eternally grateful if you could look for a grave for me?

It is the grave of James Spencer Ashworth d. 5/11/1890. He is my 3G Grandfather whose grave I have been trying to locate for years. I have just had it confirmed by Rochdale local studies library that he was buried at St James Church, Calderbrook.

If you can't take a photo, just to know what is written on the grave would be enough as there are a lot of unanswered questions that I think his grave inscription might answer.

Many thanks in anticipation,

Clare

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Lancashire / Radcliffe Death Notice / Obituary
« on: Friday 15 August 08 09:56 BST (UK)  »
I am desperately trying to find the grave of my great great great grandfather James Spencer Ashworth who lived at Dumers Lane, Radcliffe and died 5/11/1890.

Does anyone have access to old issues of the local papers? My only idea is to see if it mentions in the death notice where he'll be buried.

Also, it seems that he didn't die at home but at his son's house in Calderbrook so I don't know if this would make a difference as to where he was buried and where the death notice would be published.

Apparently he was quite a wealthy and successful man an has a very impressive monument - I just have no idea where it is!

My mother would love to see this grave as she thinks it is possibly where her aunt and grandmother are buried also.

Any help would be most gratefully received!

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Lancashire / Her Majestys Prison Liverpool - Records
« on: Wednesday 13 August 08 22:22 BST (UK)  »
I have discovered that my Great Great Grandfather William Fleming (b.1857 in Ireland) was a prisoner in Her Majesty's Prison Liverpool in the 1891 census.

He was living at home in Toxteth Park with his wife in 1881 and was back at home by 1901 so I presume that his offence couldn't have been too serious. However, there was a 5 year gap between the birth of two of his children so he could potentially have been in prison for that long.

Does anyone know how I can find out what crime he committed? Are there prison records available or court records available for me to look up?

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me!

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / 1851 census liverpool - vauxhall ward
« on: Thursday 30 December 04 16:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
Would somebody be able to look up the Mina/Moynagh/Moyna family for me. I know they were living at 95 Vauxhall Rd in 1848 so I guess they'd still be there in the 1851 census.

They should consist of at least some of the following:
Parents - Patrick and Susannah - both born Ireland.
Children - Hugh, Sarah, Susannah, Catherine, Patrick Henry, Annie - all born in Liverpool, Ireland or Ashton-under-Lyne.

Thanks!

Clare
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