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FH Documents and Artefacts / Unusual bequest in a will
« on: Monday 20 April 15 21:37 BST (UK)  »
I have recently bought the will of Robert Smith Sayers who died in Sussex in 1881. I'm puzzled by the contents and wondered if someone could suggest a reason for his actions.

Robert had three sons with his first wife Selina, and after her death he married Mary Lane who was a widow and already had five children, they had no children together.

In the will Robert stipulates that his wife Mary should inherit his wearing apparel, and that his executors should convert all his remaining 'property and effects' into cash. He then goes on to say that if his wife Mary is still alive, then the money should be divided equally between his three sons. If however his wife Mary had already died, then the proceeds of his estate should be divided equally between Mary's five children who are all named in the will.

Mary did not die until 1898, so Robert's sons would have inherited from their father, but I can't understand the reasoning behind leaving his estate to Mary's children if she had already died, thus denying his own three sons of any inheritance.

As Mary was not provided for in the will, I'm assuming that she had private means, she was by profession a dressmaker, so could have supported herself that way. She died in 1898, but I'm unable to locate a will for her to confirm that she had any estate to leave.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has come across anything like this before, or has any ideas as to the reasoning behind it.

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The Common Room / Natural daughter or adopted?
« on: Wednesday 24 February 10 22:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,
Would be interested to know if anyone has seen this before.

I've been sent a copy of a birth certificate for Edith Maud Blanchard, born in Shrewsbury Shropshire on 23rd July 1869. The father is given as Edward Blanchard, a freeholder, the mother as Maria Blanchard, formerly Butt. Nothing at all strange with that.

However the 1871 census shows the following (RG10 773 f36 p12)
Maria A Blanchard head widow age 31 no occupation born Middlesex Chelsea
Algernon Blanchard son age 12 born Sydney Australia NSW
and following that
Edith M Bellamy adopted daughter orphan age 2 born Shropshire

The 1881 census entry (RG11 106 f102 p27) shows
Maria Blanchard lodger widow age 38 born Middlesex Chelsea
Edith M Bellamy adopted daughter age 11 born India

When Edith marries in 1887, (Wandsworth district), she states that her father is Thomas Bellamy, gentleman, deceased. I have the entries for Edith in the next three censuses and she gives her birthplace as London.

Can anyone come up with a reason as to why Edith was registered as a Blanchard at birth then used Bellamy as her name for the rest of her life.

Many thanks,
Carol


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London and Middlesex / Who was Sarah ?
« on: Saturday 20 December 08 17:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hello rootschatters, I’d really appreciate any advice you can give me in my quest to find out who my 2xgt grandmother was.

My 2xgt grandfather Joseph ALGER (b1830 Plymouth), had three children all born in Southwark/Bermondsey (Henry, William and Alice).

Henry was born in 1855, and registered as Henry Algar HOBSON
Father Joseph Hobson occ blacksmith
Mother Sarah HOBSON formerly WRIGHT

William was born in 1857, and registered as William Alger HOBSON
Father Joseph Alger Hobson occ blacksmith
Mother Sarah HOBSON late WRIGHT formerly MESSENGER

I can’t find a birth registration for Alice, her birth was about 1859.

In 1841, Sarah is living in Regents Terrace, Islington
Martha HOBSON age 50 ind Y
Thomas   do          age 15 clerk Y
Sarah WRIGHT      age 20 Ind Y
John         do         age 2 Y
Alfred        do        age 6mo Y
George MESSENGER age 1 (could be 7) N

By 1851 Sarah is living in New Church St, Bermondsey
Sarah HOBSON    head wid age 34 householder W of ?? b. London
Thomas   do                br in law un 24 clerk b London
John        do               son age 12 b London
Alfred      do               son age 10 b London
George    do               son age 7 b Bedfont
Frank       do               son age 2 b Bermondsey

On the 1861 census, Joseph and Sarah (with surname ALGER), are living together in Greenwich, with their three children, and two stepsons, George Wright age 18 born Hounslow, and Francis Wright age 11 born Bermondsey. In subsequent censuses, Sarah’s place of birth is shown as Lambeth, Surrey; Westminster; London Rotherhithe; London.

So where do I go from here, any help would be welcomed as I’m well and truly stuck.

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Kent / My brickwall - Thomas King - Deptford
« on: Sunday 06 April 08 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Hello Rootschatters,
Thomas James King was my gt grandfather, and is proving to be my most elusive ancestor. My question is, given the details that I’ve listed below, do you think I’ve found the right family for him, and if not what else can I do?

In 1901: (RG13 526 f159 p56), 62 Hughes Fields, Deptford
Thomas King head mar age 33 lighterman born Deptford
(with wife Martha and children)

In 1891: (RG12 507 f81 p30-31), 92 The Stowage, Deptford
James Thos King head mar age 22 lighterman born Deptford
(with wife Martha and son Thomas)
Also at the same address:
Thomas King head widr age 67, a shipwright, born Goudhurst
Harry King nephew un age 15, a messenger born Deptford.

The marriage certificate (27th Oct 1889), of Thomas James King and Martha Sayers, gives Thomas as age 22, a lighterman living at 29 Earls Rd, Newington, father George King deceased, a shipwright. (The marriage witnesses were George Henry Adams and Caroline Smith).

I cannot positively identify my Thomas James King in either 1881 or 1871, but have listed the entries for what I suspect is his family.

1881 census: (RG11 717 f88 p29) 46 The Stowage, Deptford
Mary King head wid age 40, a wood dealer, born Marden
David King son un age 16 born Deptford
Wm. King son un age 14 born Deptford
Harry King son un age 3 born Deptford
Thoms. King brother un age 57 born Goudhurst a shipwright

1871 census (RG10 750 f37 p19) 46 The Stowage, Deptford
George King head mar age 75 wheelwright born Wandsworth
Elizabeth King wife mar age 73 born Kent
Mary King dau wid age 30 char woman born Kent
Richard King gdson age 5 born Deptford
David King gdson age 3 born Deptford
Edward King gdson age 1½ born Deptford

I have a birth certificate of Thomas James King, born 30th July 1867, no father given, mother Mary King, born at 46 The Stowage, Deptford. I can find no corresponding death certificate for this child.

If this is the correct birth certificate for my Thomas, then the assumptions that I have to make are:
1.   He was entered on the 1871 census as David
2.   He was entered on the 1881 census as Wm.
3.   He invented a father called George, (so possibly chose the name of his grandfather, and the occupation of his uncle).

In 1861, Mary King is living with her parents in Deptford, she is unmarried, age 24, and has two younger brothers, Edward age 5, and John age 1. As Mary's mother is now age 60, the two brothers may well be Mary’s children as well.

The family are in Rochester in 1851, and Goudhurst in 1841. On these census entries, Mary’s brother Thomas has the surname Evens, so he is most likely a step brother.

Thank you for reading this post. Any response and advice would be very much appreciated.

Carol.

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Hello,

This photo is of the Rolfe family in Suffolk. (Possibly Creeting or Wethersett, anyone any ideas ?).
We think it was taken around 1910, but would really appreciate a second or third opinion.

The lady on the far right is Mary Ann Rolfe (nee Brown) and is my husband's 2xgt grandmother.

Any help much appreciated.
Thank-you,
Carol.

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / 1901 census - Tillbrook Crisfield - Rochester
« on: Wednesday 24 January 07 10:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Rootschatters,

Can you help me to link Tillbrook Edward Crisfield, born Folkestone, 1894 (birth reg Jun qtr 1894, Elham district), to 'my' Tillbrook Crisfield, who was born in Rochester in 1812. I have details of all of my Tillbrook's children and some grandchildren, but just need to take it one step further.

I'd love to know the details of parents and siblings as shown on the 1901 census of Tillbrook (born 1894). From the online indexes, I've found him living in St Margaret's Rochester, age 6, and is transcribed as either Loilbrook or Tailbrook, depending on which index you use.

Thank you for your help,
Carol

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