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London and Middlesex / Edward Knipe, merchant, 1609-1676/7 probable
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In connection with local history I am now looking at Edward Knipe who bought Ember Court, Thames Ditton in 1649 and sold it in abt 1676. I have done the usual searches on the web and in ancestry & FindMyPast. I have the will of Edward Knipe and his father Christopher, but there are some key points on which I should be really grateful for help or additional info.
Background:
There are rather a lot of these particular Knipes! Edward was one of sixteen children and it seems the family continued to breed:
Father: Christopher Knipe Haberdasher of London son of James Knipe, of, Warton, Lancashire, England will made 1 Sep 1623 probate 1624
- m. Elizabeth Hill, of Cheshire, England 1600 St. Mary-le-Strand, (Boyds Citizens of London) Westminster
Children
1. Christopher Knipe
2. Thomas Knipe (father of Thomas Knipe who became Headmaster of Westminster School and is buried with many family at Westminster Abbey)
3. Edward Knipe b 1609 see continuation below
4. Henry Knipe
5. Bartholomew Knipe (possibly emigrated to Virginia, married dau of George Evelyn formerly of Godston Surrey who also emigrated)
6. Charles Knipe
7. Randolf Knipe, b. 1622, St. Katherine, Coleman, London, Middlesex
8. James Knipe
9. Philip Knipe
10. Jacob Knipe
11. Richard Knipe
12. Mary Knipe
13. Elizabeth Knipe
14. Hester Knipe
15. Martha Knipe
16. Susan Knipe
Edward Knipe
Edwarde Knipe Baptised 1 Oct 1609 Parish:St Katherine Coleman, London Parent Christopher
Knipe: London Metropolitan Archives, St Katherine Coleman, Composite register:
baptisms and burials 1559 - 1666, marriages 1563 - 1666, P69/KAT1/A/001/MS017832.
- elected a factor of East India Company 1630
Q1: My identification of the EIC Edward Knipe with Edward the merchant who bought Ember Court is based on the timeline and contextual circumstances but I would really welcome confirmation. In "The travels of Peter Mundy in Europe and Asia, 1608-1667" Vol III Part II Appendix B page 458: Edward Knipe: "Since he plays an important part in the events of Mundy's third voyage to India in 1655, the information that has been collected
regarding his family history is reserved for a later volume" Alas I have the five volumes in six parts downloaded, but there is no 'later volume' of the Travels which has that extra information - I would be most interested to track that down!
- 1645 EIC Court Book, vol. xix, p. 274. Court resolves that Knipe shall return to England.
- married Elizabeth nee Watts of Devon (Boyd again) [Q2: ?date]
- 1646 EIC Court Book, vol. xx, p. 7: "Mrs. Knipe to receive the calicoes sent by her husband, and the freight to be charged to his account."
- 1647/48 brought home by the EIC
- bought Ember Court 1 January 1649 from Sir Dudley Carleton, nephew of Viscount Dorchester.
- Sheriff of Surrey 1652
- PROB 11/356 Will of Edward Knipe of Thames Ditton, Surrey (will signed 1668) Probate 1678. Names wife Elizabeth as sole executrix and beneficiary to dispose of assets among his children (not named).
- last held court at Ember Court 1673 (VCH of Surrey)
Ember Court sold to Shem Bridges who first appears in vestry records in 1676
An Edward Knipe was buried 12 Jan 1677, All Hallows Staining, London; London Metropolitan Archives.
Q3: who were the children of Edward Knipe 1609 - 1676/7 and Elizabeth nee Watts of Ember Court & the City?
Possible progeny:
1. Edward. Notes and Queries, Feb., 1918:
In June 1677 another EIC officer was detained for some time at Kasimbazar, awaiting the arrival of Edward Knipe. [ comment: the first Edward Knipe believed dead by this time; EIC connection may suggest a son of same name]
Charles Knipe:
http://www.westminster-abbey.org/our-history/people/thomas-knipe
"(d.1717), a son of Edward (uncle of Dr Thomas), married Jane Needham, a daughter of the Abbey's Receiver General, in the Abbey in 1682 but neither are buried here."
Elizabeth Knipe Burial 16 Jan 1674, All Hallows Staining, London
Parent(s):Edmond [[?Edward], Elizabeth; London Metropolitan Archives, All Hallows Staining, Composite register: baptisms 1642 - 1710, marriages and burials 1653 - 1710, P69/ALH6/A/001/MS17824.
3. Richard: Richard Knipe, writer is mentioned in EIC court record of 1674
Background:
There are rather a lot of these particular Knipes! Edward was one of sixteen children and it seems the family continued to breed:
Father: Christopher Knipe Haberdasher of London son of James Knipe, of, Warton, Lancashire, England will made 1 Sep 1623 probate 1624
- m. Elizabeth Hill, of Cheshire, England 1600 St. Mary-le-Strand, (Boyds Citizens of London) Westminster
Children
1. Christopher Knipe
2. Thomas Knipe (father of Thomas Knipe who became Headmaster of Westminster School and is buried with many family at Westminster Abbey)
3. Edward Knipe b 1609 see continuation below
4. Henry Knipe
5. Bartholomew Knipe (possibly emigrated to Virginia, married dau of George Evelyn formerly of Godston Surrey who also emigrated)
6. Charles Knipe
7. Randolf Knipe, b. 1622, St. Katherine, Coleman, London, Middlesex
8. James Knipe
9. Philip Knipe
10. Jacob Knipe
11. Richard Knipe
12. Mary Knipe
13. Elizabeth Knipe
14. Hester Knipe
15. Martha Knipe
16. Susan Knipe
Edward Knipe
Edwarde Knipe Baptised 1 Oct 1609 Parish:St Katherine Coleman, London Parent Christopher
Knipe: London Metropolitan Archives, St Katherine Coleman, Composite register:
baptisms and burials 1559 - 1666, marriages 1563 - 1666, P69/KAT1/A/001/MS017832.
- elected a factor of East India Company 1630
Q1: My identification of the EIC Edward Knipe with Edward the merchant who bought Ember Court is based on the timeline and contextual circumstances but I would really welcome confirmation. In "The travels of Peter Mundy in Europe and Asia, 1608-1667" Vol III Part II Appendix B page 458: Edward Knipe: "Since he plays an important part in the events of Mundy's third voyage to India in 1655, the information that has been collected
regarding his family history is reserved for a later volume" Alas I have the five volumes in six parts downloaded, but there is no 'later volume' of the Travels which has that extra information - I would be most interested to track that down!
- 1645 EIC Court Book, vol. xix, p. 274. Court resolves that Knipe shall return to England.
- married Elizabeth nee Watts of Devon (Boyd again) [Q2: ?date]
- 1646 EIC Court Book, vol. xx, p. 7: "Mrs. Knipe to receive the calicoes sent by her husband, and the freight to be charged to his account."
- 1647/48 brought home by the EIC
- bought Ember Court 1 January 1649 from Sir Dudley Carleton, nephew of Viscount Dorchester.
- Sheriff of Surrey 1652
- PROB 11/356 Will of Edward Knipe of Thames Ditton, Surrey (will signed 1668) Probate 1678. Names wife Elizabeth as sole executrix and beneficiary to dispose of assets among his children (not named).
- last held court at Ember Court 1673 (VCH of Surrey)
Ember Court sold to Shem Bridges who first appears in vestry records in 1676
An Edward Knipe was buried 12 Jan 1677, All Hallows Staining, London; London Metropolitan Archives.
Q3: who were the children of Edward Knipe 1609 - 1676/7 and Elizabeth nee Watts of Ember Court & the City?
Possible progeny:
1. Edward. Notes and Queries, Feb., 1918:
In June 1677 another EIC officer was detained for some time at Kasimbazar, awaiting the arrival of Edward Knipe. [ comment: the first Edward Knipe believed dead by this time; EIC connection may suggest a son of same name]
Charles Knipe:
http://www.westminster-abbey.org/our-history/people/thomas-knipe
"(d.1717), a son of Edward (uncle of Dr Thomas), married Jane Needham, a daughter of the Abbey's Receiver General, in the Abbey in 1682 but neither are buried here."
Elizabeth Knipe Burial 16 Jan 1674, All Hallows Staining, London
Parent(s):Edmond [[?Edward], Elizabeth; London Metropolitan Archives, All Hallows Staining, Composite register: baptisms 1642 - 1710, marriages and burials 1653 - 1710, P69/ALH6/A/001/MS17824.
3. Richard: Richard Knipe, writer is mentioned in EIC court record of 1674