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World War One / Re: WW1 Army Service Records Meanings
« on: Tuesday 03 May 16 08:19 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Gwil
Fred's time in the Army Reserve "B" came to an end in 1920 but he re-enlisted in 1923 with Section D of the Army Reserve for 4 years completing his service in 1927.
He then enlisted in the Territorial Army Reserve (home service only, National Defence Companies)on 5th June 1939 and was discharged on 22/2/1941 ( his services being no longer requires) he was then 53 years of age.
You mentioned the casualty form active service - is this available?
Brian

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World War One / Re: WW1 Army Service Records Meanings
« on: Tuesday 03 May 16 06:49 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Gwil and jim1,
That is extremely helpful, I now have a much better understanding of his life in the army.
I have his records for his time in the reserves and also the Second World War where he joined up with the Durham Light Infantry.
Thank again
Brian

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World War One / Re: WW1 Army Service Records Meanings
« on: Monday 02 May 16 21:05 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Jim,
I was talking about the entries further down the page, which occur on 14/2/1918 and 23/6/1918 the battalion is 5.2 (g) and web searches show this to be 52 battalion "Graduated" - is this the same as garrison battalion
Brian

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World War One / WW1 Army Service Records Meanings
« on: Monday 02 May 16 18:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I have a few more questions concerning my grandfather Fred Johnsons service records as follows:

1 - In the attached copy on 14/2/1918 and 23/61918 his battalion (the West Yorkshire Regiment) is given as what looks like "5.2 (G)". On searching the web the closest I can find is "52 Batallion (Graduated) - what is this?.
2 - In the same copy further down Fred is transferred to Army Reserve "B" then below it is the following "Permitted to proceed to sea for a period of 12 months from". What does this mean and why?
3 - On the second copy, under wounded, it specifies "Slight France 1914 List 7864"
What is List 7864? could it be an error as his army number was 8864.
Thanks in advance
Brian

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World War One / Re: interpreting "To Duty" in Army Service Records
« on: Tuesday 26 April 16 16:16 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again Jim,
He was 26 in 1914, so what you suggest sounds likely to be correct.
I have Everad Wyralls book The West Yorkshire Regiment in the War and the location on Jan 1st is as you say but the book does not mention casualties that day.
As an aside I tried to obtain his army records about 18 years ago and was not successful. I was told that they had probably been destroyed in the Second World War.
It was only a few weeks ago at the Who Do You Think You Are exhibition at Birmingham that I approached the National Archives stand and they could not find anything using his West Yorks number. When I told the person on the stand he had been in the army reserve until 1923 he suggested that I approach the staff on the MOD stand as his records may not have been released. The MOD could not find anything until they tried his reserves service number and his records showed up. It shows that you should not give up trying.

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World War One / Re: interpreting "To Duty" in Army Service Records
« on: Tuesday 26 April 16 12:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Jim that's really helpful.
He was returned to the uk because he had a gunshot wound to the knee and a shrapnel injury to the shoulder (according to family stories). He was sent to a convalescent home at a place called Gilsland in North Northumberland. This was where he met my grandmother.
He was sent to Malta so they could not get married until December 1917.
Until I received his records I had not realised that he had been sent back to Malta and had assumed he had returned to the Western Front.
Could it have been his wound that meant he was sent to be part of a garrison battalion rather than sent back to the front?

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World War One / Re: interpreting "To Duty" in Army Service Records
« on: Tuesday 26 April 16 11:43 BST (UK)  »
Yes jim1 I saw that but they look to be 2 separate punishments. I assumed that his absense punishment probably had something to do with being late back from leave or he was not allowed leave and took it anyway. This short period between arriving back from Malta and being sent to France was his first time in the UK for 2 years.

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World War One / Re: interpreting "To Duty" in Army Service Records
« on: Tuesday 26 April 16 09:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks jds1949 that's very interesting. I wonder what he did to get such a punishment. No.1 Field punishment does not sound very pleasant.
On his release papers in 1923 he was described as a "clean, hard working and reliable NCO"
Brian

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World War One / Re: interpreting "To Duty" in Army Service Records
« on: Tuesday 26 April 16 07:56 BST (UK)  »
I think you are probably correct - in my head I was trying to link it to him being wounded and missing the obvious.
Does anyone have any idea what "Awarded 14 days No. 1 by CO" means.
Thanks for your response
Brian

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