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Monaghan / Re: Abraham Ramsay marriage to Ann Dancy abt 1820-1824 ?
« on: Friday 27 October 23 18:49 BST (UK)  »
I have not yet come across Helen or Ethel and how they fit into MIL's family

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Monaghan / Re: Abraham Ramsay marriage to Ann Dancy abt 1820-1824 ?
« on: Friday 27 October 23 04:44 BST (UK)  »
You've got me there. 1977 letter. After looking at the documents I have on ancestry.com and not finding it, I think it may be a letter that my mother in law Jane Christie, received from a cousin, Allan James Bain nee James Gibson Bain), son of Mary Ramsay, married to and divorced from James Gibson Bain. But the cousins reference, is not ringing a bell, it's been several years since I posted.

Oh I found the letter, amazing, right where it should have been.

April 8, 1977 letter from Allan James Bain and his wife Maxine, to Jane (Christie) and Donald Barber.

Dear Jane & Don,

I don't dare put your note away, as I'll never get to it again!

This is the only information I have on the Allan family.

Daniel Allan born 6/17/1868 in Johnston, Scotland (near Glasgow). He died 2/1/53
Esther Allan, born 12/1/[18]62 in Caledonia, Ontario, Canada died 4/29/49. Father was George Ramsey[sic], mother was Mary Patterson.

This is all the information I have. There is a cousin Miss Ethel Ramsey [sic] in Caledonia, Ontario who might give you more information on Grandmother Allan. Her sister is Mrs. Earl (Helen) Winger, they live together.

Do trust you will have a good trip to Scotland & England. Sounds interesting.

We are well & plan to go to Canandaigua Lake again this summer Jun-Sept. We've been retired now for 10 years. The time has flown by we do keep busy.

Love
Maxine & Allan

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Monaghan / Re: Abraham Ramsay marriage to Ann Dancy abt 1820-1824 ?
« on: Monday 23 October 23 02:15 BST (UK)  »
1855 Census in Canada:
Haldimand County, Ontario:
Ramsey, Charles         Seneca       pg. 098   1855 
Ramsey, George C.       Seneca       pg. 098   1855 
Ramsey, Henry           Seneca      pg. 098   1855 
Ramsey, Isabella M.     Seneca      pg. 098   1855 
Ramsey, John            Seneca        pg.098   1855 
Ramsey, Mirand          Seneca       pg. 098   1855
 
1861
George Ramsay born Scotland and
George Ramsay, living in Seneca, haldimand, Ontario, street number 79, line number 13. no further information.
George Ramsy [sic] male, age 38y [could this be read 35?], est yr birth 1823, birthplace Ireland, census place Seneca, Haldimand, Ontario, sheet number 47, line number 44
There is a Fany [Fanny] Ramsy but on a different page, age 31, married, b. Ireland etc. so likely a sister in law.
 
1865 Census in Canada:
Haldimand County, Ontario:
 Family 143     George  C  Ramsey     pg. 18  d. 2 
 Family 143     Henry        Ramsey      pg. 18  d. 2 
 Family 143     John   L  Ramsey    pg. 18  d. 2 
 Family 143     Miranda   Ramsey     pg. 18  d. 2
 
1871
George Ramsay, age 46, est yr birth 1825, birthplace Ireland, married, origin (ancestry) Irish, Church of England, census place 02, Senega g, Haldimand 17, Ontario, page 57, line number 10, dwelling 193, household 198
Widowed before 1881 Canadian Census. George Ramsey
 
1891 Census
George Ramsay, Male, age 61, Est yr birth: 1830, Ireland, Widowed, Church of England, Ontario, Haldimand, District 70, Seneca
Robert a brother? :
 
1899
6924-99 George McGregor BLOTT, 19, clerk, Ontario, Dunn, s/o John McGregor & Ellen, married Ellen Elizabeth RAMSAY, 22, Ontario, Dunn, d/o Robert & Elizabeth, witn: Robert P. & Ernest REID of N. Cayuga, 23 Aug 1899 at North Cayuga

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Monaghan / Re: Abraham Ramsay marriage to Ann Dancy abt 1820-1824 ?
« on: Monday 23 October 23 02:14 BST (UK)  »
A death record ties family to Abraham Ramsay and Ann Dancy.
We have my husband > his mother > Her parents John Christie and Mildred Frieda Allan > Daniel Allan m Esther Ramsay > George Ramsay m Mary Eliza Patterson > Abraham Ramsay m Ann Dancy in Ireland. Their names come from George's death record 20 Sep 1911, place of birth, Ireland, so George was 99! 

My husband has not been interested in doing DNA but he might be persuaded if someone interested him - just started getting a tiny bit interested in this.

This is what I wrote in 2015 which is after that original post. I have not done much with it since.

George Ramsay was born about 1825 (1826 or 27) in Northern Ireland. His parents, listed on his death certificate, were Abraham Ramsay and Ann Dancy - or Davey - (believe it to read Dancy, not Vancy). He immigrated to Canada sometime between 1841 and 1850 (census records). I think 1841 is the likely date, since he probably gave that date himself in 1901. In 1911, a younger daughter likely gave the 1850 date, if it was his daughter he was living with as the census states. She would have been quite young to be his daughter, and I have found no evidence of a remarriage.
This timing would fit in with the early era of the great potato famine in Ireland; a time when three million of a total of eight million inhabitants of Ireland died of starvation or disease. Many persons were shipped over to the new world, and especially to Canada.

I have have found records and censuses for George, and for a William Ramsay, about two years younger, possibly his brother, and a Margaret Ramsay in Seneca, Haldimand County, Ontario in 1871, all three living at different addresses. Margaret is 22, but the two men are about the right age to be brothers at 46 and 44 and each is a head of household, and all three were born in Ireland, which few Ramsays in Canada were, generally being from Scotland. Unfortunately the census transcriptions do not list other members in the families. George was Anglican/Church of England, which Esther lists on her Wedding Certificate (Episcopalian). William, if he is George's brother, was born in County Monaghan, Ulster, Ireland (from death certificate), and the 1871 census record lists him as Wesleyan Methodist. He died of diabetes at age 56; I don't know if he had any children, but I suspect that he did as a head of household. Margaret is not George's daughter, she could be William's. And elderly Ramsay cousins are mentioned in the 1977 letter, Ethel Ramsay and Helen Ramsay Winger (married Earl Winger), although they could also be grandchildren of George's (or of William's) since I do not know their ages. Helen and Ethel lived together in Caledonia, near by, in 1977 so would likely to have been born between 1890 and 1910.

Aside from William being from County Monaghan, George's mother, Ann Dancy is a clue. I found no Vancy's in Ireland, certainly not Northern Ireland, but though rare, there is one family in County Monaghan. However there are five Dancy families in Cavan, and one in Down. County Cavan is next to County Monaghan. For what it is worth, the 1848-64 Valuations list three Ramsay landholders in County Monaghan: Elizabeth in Currin, Joseph in Currin (part of Clones of the famous 1834 Cholera Epidemic) and one James Ramsay of Donaghmoyne.

By 1881, George is a farmer and a widower. Living with him are his children, William, James, Abraham, Annie (an Anna Ramsay of same age later lives with Esther and Daniel in Rochester), Easter (Esther? born abt 1860, she seems to have changed her birth date as she was several years older than husband, Daniel), Robert, Jane, and the youngest, Mary. The younger Mary was born in 1870; George then being widowed six years later. Research turned up an Ontario Death Certificate for Mary E. Ramsay, Seneca, Haldimand, who died in 1876 at the age of 44 after a long illness, of cancer. George lived well into his 80s, until after the 1911 Census, in Seneca, Haldimand, Ontario, first as a boarder in 1901, later with an even younger daughter, although again, I did not find evidence of a remarriage.
 
Ontario Deaths 1869-1947
George Ramsay
Death date: 20 Aug 1911
Age at death: 86 years
Death place: Seneca, Haldimand, Ontario
Birthdate: 12 Jul 1812 (note: if above is correct, and censuses, then birthyear would be 1825)
Birthplace: Ireland
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Father’s name: Abraham Ramsay
Mother’s name: Ann Dancy

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Monaghan / Re: Abraham Ramsay marriage to Ann Dancy abt 1820-1824 ?
« on: Saturday 21 October 23 23:24 BST (UK)  »
Yes that family is still open, I have not learned more and rather gave up. THANK YOU

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I am doing some research for my sister in law.
Her grandfather was Robert Henry Bennett Evans, he emigrated to Buffalo, New York, USA about 1909 and she would like to know more about his family.

We came up with the full name of Robert Henry Bennett Evans from his World War I draft registration card which states that he was British, that he was born July 4, 1883.

I think I found his birth in BMD registers, July-Sep 1883 in West Derby (Liverpool) Lancashire, England; in the index it is given as Robert Henry B Evans. His father is named as John. We think we found his name on a manifest list in 1909, Robert H Evans, which also lists his father's name as J Bennett Evans, Crest Bank, New Brighton, Ches

My sister-in-law wrote to me:

Thanks especially for the info on my grandfather, Robert Evans.  I know that he came to the US from Liverpool around the turn of the century, when he was 18.  He came by himself, but had a big family, originally from Wales.  I think his father's name was John, from a small town we visited on the coast of Wales ( Something like Pthwelly (sp?), and my great-grandmother [Robert's mother] was Mary, from the Isle of Anglesy.  He only corresponded with one brother over the years, and the trail ends there. 

I may post this on Liverpool site too...? or Cheshire??

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A very interesting thread about the Elias family.  Can anyone locate Plas Y Glynn?

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I am doing some research for my sister in law.
Her grandfather was Robert Henry Bennett Evans, he emigrated to Buffalo, New York, USA about 1909 and she would like to know more about his family.

We came up with the full name of Robert Henry Bennett Evans from his World War I draft registration card which states that he was British, that he was born July 4, 1883.

I think I found his birth in BMD registers, July-Sep 1883 in West Derby (Liverpool) Lancashire, England; in the index it is given as Robert Henry B Evans. His father is named as John. We think we found his name on a manifest list in 1909, Robert H Evans, which also lists his father's name as J Bennett Evans, Crest Bank, New Brighton, Ches

My sister-in-law wrote to me:

Thanks especially for the info on my grandfather, Robert Evans.  I know that he came to the US from Liverpool around the turn of the century, when he was 18.  He came by himself, but had a big family, originally from Wales.  I think his father's name was John, from a small town we visited on the coast of Wales ( Something like Pthwelly (sp?), and my great-grandmother [Robert's mother] was Mary, from the Isle of Anglesy.  He only corresponded with one brother over the years, and the trail ends there. 

I may post this on Liverpool site too...? or Cheshire??

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GenFerret
Thank you, this seems quite solid, fits with other records.
John Middleton was born in Ireland as well.
Funny, GGrandmother had Scottish as her ancestry on several US Census docs, but earlier Irish. We realize that earlier generations may have come from Scotland but her immediate were from County Down. Scotland is not panning out for her recent ancestors so far - all having deep roots in the area.

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