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Hi Frank, Here is a link to the Helden cemetery:
Unfortunately, I can't see Elisabeth listed, but I thought you might find the website helpful to do some further research. I have also checked newspaper reports (Delpher Kranten), but again have found no references to her death or funeral.  Searches on other family trees were similarly fruitless! I see that you have posted on wiewaswie, so hope you have better luck from there!

Thank you JoRose.  Yes this will be him - his father appears in the census as Key, Hay, Kaye etc, which does not help the search!  So he might appear in US/Canada census with a 1871 yob (just) more likely 1872, as Kay or Key.  He "only"deserted from a merchant ship, not the army, so I am not sure he would have felt the need to change his name.  Or was there a similar stigma attached?  If the USA census does not help, could you possibly point me in the right direction for a Canada search?  Many thanks.

Thank you for replying.  My Frederick has no recorded middle name, and his baptism record does not give his date of birth.   He does not feature on the 1871 census and the family seems to have been reasonably prompt with baptisms, so first quarter of 1872 would be a reasonable assumption.   Allthough there are quite a few Frederick Kay(e)s knocking about, I have not found another one in Liverpool dob 1872.  But perhaps that doesn't help for US records if they simply list England - sorry I am a novice on US data.  I found the Campania reference on Ancestry - shown in attachment.  I hope I am not breaching any rules!  If so, no doubt, someone will helpfully correct me.

Moderator:  Link to crew list -  Attachment removed.

United States of America / Fred(erick) Kay - deserted Campania in New York 1902
« on: Friday 06 July 18 16:21 BST (UK)  »
I would appreciate any tips on tracking down Frederick Kay, born 1872 in Liverpool.  Son of William Kay and Sarah (nee Hill), he was baptised on 28 April 1872 (no middle name). He features in the 1881 Census at Langdale Street, and in 1891 in Roderick Street, Liverpool, working as a carter.   I thought he was totally lost, since he does not seem to feature again on UK records.  But I may now have found him on a crew list, recorded as deserting the Campania in New York in 1902. I would welcome suggestions on how to take this forward.  I have read separately that a number of Liverpool crew desertions were linked to the Klondike gold rush, but have no family gossip to back this up, or give other clues.  Thank you.

Lancashire / Re: George, a joiner in Oldham ....
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 09:56 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Heywood for the link.  I shall have a go.

Lancashire / Re: George, a joiner in Oldham ....
« on: Wednesday 10 May 17 17:03 BST (UK)  »
Well that has brightened my day!  But you are quite right. 
Maybe DNA will be the only route - though I am not a fan.  Is there any Oldham expert out there who knows of parish/court records for child support??

Lancashire / Re: George, a joiner in Oldham ....
« on: Wednesday 10 May 17 10:06 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Carole.  Yes I suppose the support might have been voluntary and off the books.  Brick wall is looming!

Lancashire / Re: George, a joiner in Oldham ....
« on: Tuesday 09 May 17 23:40 BST (UK)  »
Indeed.  Almost certainly illegitimate.  I couldn't spot a suitable George Brindle either.  Hence my rather futile search for another George!  Do you know of any parish or court records that might give some clues?  She must surely have had some financial help for three children? 

Lancashire / George, a joiner in Oldham ....
« on: Tuesday 09 May 17 21:07 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to trace the father of three illegitimate children born to Mary Brindle in Oldham in 1862 (Isabella), 1865 (Mary Alice) and 1868 (Maria).  All surname Brindle.  The household features, for example, in the 1871 census at Piece 4099, Folio 71, Page 30.  The father description was left blank on their birth certificates and marriage certificates.  Mary describes herself as a widow in the 1871 and 1881 censuses, but there is no trace of a marriage to another Brindle.  The only clue I have is on Mary Alice's death certificate in 1884 where her occupation is described as daughter of George Brindle, joiner (deceased).  I strongly suspect that the "Brindle"is made up.  But maybe  there could be some substance to Christian name and profession?

I have already (in some desperation) gone through most of the Oldham census to try and find a George the joiner, and found only one - a George Thompson.  But since there were no links to the Brindle household  (eg neighbours, a link to the names Isabella, Maria etc)  this feels tenuous to say the least!  So I would welcome any thoughts on new lines to follow.  Might there, for example, be some record of a child support order that could shed some light?  I feel a brickwall coming up!

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