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Wicklow / Re: Lacey of Wicklow
« on: Saturday 29 October 16 16:03 BST (UK)  »
The WALL family migrated from Dunlavin, Wicklow to work for a while in Dublin and then emigrated to the Capital of Ireland to set up home 'OTB' (over the bridge) which was an Irish enclave close to the docks were, most all of the Irishmen found work.

As kids we ran the horse betting slips from family tables to the back street bookies and, in our case the instructions were pretty clear and that was to deliver the bets and cash to Lacey's. I forget the street name but it was the next one down (south) from Lemon Street which is off Stanley Road, if I recall correctly it was a stones throw from Saint Alophonsus Church. 

Anyhow there was a large Lacey family living in this home and as they were close friends of the WALL family chances are they left Co. Wicklow around same time.  The Lacey I delivered the betting slips to all those years since was probably born around 1900.

pete

Hi Pete.......this definitely sounds like one of mine.....the betting slips and a large family :-) 
I only know they lived in a place called Johnstown, inch, Arklow when I found them.  Any of that relavent to what you mentioned above? I don't know Ireland at all unfortunately.
Woody
Woody, I must have seen this post before, but its significance has only just hit me - Inch...
When my g-grandmother (Jane née Lacy) died in 1880 leaving 6 young children, at least one of them was sent to "an aunt in Inch, whose husband was the station master". That's all the info we have, related by the child concerned (b.1878, d.1957).
We've searched endlessly to find this "aunt", so far without success. Might she be one of yours?
Best, Mad

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Wicklow / Re: Lacey of Wicklow
« on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:45 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Treacy, any information will be welcome. As I said in my earlier reply/post I have the baptisms for Bridget's younger siblings, Mary Anne and Felix in Glendalough. In fact I was in Glendalough just a few weeks ago but did not have this information then, pity!
 I am keen to find baptisms for the other children, Winifred, Bridget and Hugh.
Also want to find the marriage record for Patrick and Esther (Byrne) Lacey in Wicklow, although I am now suspecting they may have lived elsewhere before Glendalough- perhaps the older children were born/baptised elsewhere.There are some Lacey/Leesy people near Aughrim (Rathdrum parish).
I have the BYRNE connection on both sides and am keen to also find out if Esther Byrne is related to my other Byrne side.
While Bridget married William Byrne here in Adelaide they went across to WA where they are buried.
Keep in touch. Kay
Hi Kay, I'd be interested in sharing info - I have a Hugh Leesy baptised in Glendalough on 07/09/1939, son of Patt L. & Bridget Byrne. Sponsors Leonard & Mary Nash.
Best, Mad 

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Wicklow / Re: Lacey of Wicklow
« on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:37 BST (UK)  »
I have a number of Lacy/Lacey/Leesy/Leecey records for Glendalough, Killaveney, Lara, Hacketstown etc.
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 I also have other info collected over the years in the hope that I might match up some bodies!

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Dublin / Re: Misses Charlotte & Harriett DOWNES
« on: Tuesday 21 July 15 06:58 BST (UK)  »
Well, whether it has anything or nothing to do with my own family, that was fun..

Meath Heritage: *Baptism of Joseph Downes in the parish of Monalvey Kiltale on 20 May 1847. Parents Christopher & Margaret (Mooney), sponsors Owen Delaney & Mary Mooney.
I've found 6 siblings - 2 Marys and 2 Patricks (earlier infants presumably died), Rose and Christopher.

Found in Dod’s Peerage: Sir Joseph Downes, son of Christopher Downes, farmer of Kiltale, Trim, co. Meath, and Margaret, dau. of Patrick Mooney of Trim; born 1848*; married   (1) 1884 Teresa (d.1904) dau. of Dennis Carton of Dublin (2) 1909 Joanna, dau. of Thomas Davy of Newtown, Tipperary and widow of Ald.  James Hennessy of Palmerston Road, Dublin; ed. at Kiltale and Trim; is in business as a merchant baker and confectioner in Dublin; JP Dublin, Sherriff 1900. Residence: South Hill, Milltown, co. Dublin.

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Dublin / Re: Misses Charlotte & Harriett DOWNES
« on: Sunday 19 July 15 14:02 BST (UK)  »
I must try to find Joseph Downes' birth. One of the birth possibilities for our gg-grandfather William Downes is Navan.
Thank you for all the clues.

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Dublin / Re: Misses Charlotte & Harriett DOWNES
« on: Sunday 19 July 15 10:21 BST (UK)  »
Voilà:

From our family website https://sites.google.com/site/downesofdublin/home

III. Catherine Downes born 26 March, 1872 in Cloghran, Dublin, Baptised 02.04.1872 in the parish of Swords. Birth sponsors: John & Eliza Sharkey. Catherine died 17.12.1887 in Meath Hospital, Dublin
IV. Harriett Downes born 19 June 1874 in Windmill Hill, near Killenard, Maryborough, Queen's Co. Died 8.10.1883 in St Michael’s Hospital Kingstown (Dun Laoghaire) of pneumonia.

The Misses Downes: Harriet, Killester 1847, 1848 & 1850; Charlotte, 15, The Crescent, Clontarf, 1848;
Pettigrew’s 1847 lists Miss Downes, Killester
Misses Downes, 33 Charles street, Great (Lewis 1850)

Patrick Downes, Stockhole, Cloghran will 1837; lease 1925

Wilsons 1830
 Downes and Sons, Grocers, 80, low. Camden-slreet. , ^ Downes (Eliza) Printer and Stationer, 2, Whitefriar-streeU Downes (J.) Perfumer, 38, Nassau-street. Downes (Maria) Stay and Corset-maker, 29, Aungtefstreet.: Downs (John) Mineral-water-manufacturer, 11, Crampton-coua-t.

Various Downes in Treble Almanac 1804, 1822 and 1832

1912   Joseph Downes   Strand House STRAND ROAD   Inhabitant or ratepayer   [No division recorded]   Clontarf East

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Dublin / Re: Misses Charlotte & Harriett DOWNES
« on: Sunday 19 July 15 06:59 BST (UK)  »
Hallmark: Going to the LR isn’t really an option when you live and work in the middle of France, but I might persuade a cousin to pay a visit.

Aghadowey: Yes, I have that one. I wondered if it was her as she’d either be very old in 1899 or a very young landlady in the 1840/50s.

Taramcdsmall: You have it in one. Same name, same location, with the added factor of one of the daughters of great-grandfather being named Harriett, a name with no history in the known families. A weak research basis, but when you’re running out of ideas, any daft basis will do. Or maybe Harriet(t) was name of the year?

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Dublin / Misses Charlotte & Harriett DOWNES
« on: Saturday 18 July 15 14:36 BST (UK)  »
I am researching my DOWNES family, William (a gardener) and Mary Downes (née Quigley, born in Athy), who married in Booterstown, presumably where Mary was then based.

They then lived in Clontarf and Killester, from at least 1824 to at least 1840, according to birth records of the 7 children. The youngest, my great-grandfather Thomas was born in Black Quarry, Several of his sisters were born in Seafield Avenue. Killester was the address given for one of the sons who died in 1840. All indications suggest the family was RC. There were a few Downes in north Dublin at the time and I wonder whether my William was connected to them. The whole family decamped at some point to Athavallie, Mayo, where Wm & Mary are buried. One of Thomas's children was born in Cloghran.

Over the years, the same Downes names have kept appearing in connection with Clontarf, especially the Misses Charlotte and Harriett Downes. Charlotte seems to have owned 15, The Crescent in 1848 (and was Abraham Stoker Sr’s landlady), and Harriett owned or let properties in Killester between 1847 and 1854. Between them, they seem to have inhabited and/or let out various north Dublin houses.

I have found no BMD or will records for these 2 ladies, nor have I been able to find property records apart from the Griffith’s entries. They may have been absentee landladies, but research in UK registers hasn’t turned up anything either. At a guess, I’d expect the Misses Downes to have been COI.

I’d like to eliminate them from my research, but don’t know where to go from here.


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Dublin / Re: CLONTARF BMD records
« on: Saturday 18 July 15 11:33 BST (UK)  »
I don't know the north side of Dublin, let alone Clontarf. :o My parents (from Ballsbridge & Stillorgan) kidnapped me as a baby and removed me to foreign parts. I now live in even foreigner parts, so I have to keep referring to maps or relying on cousins to put me right....

The gg-grandparents lived until at least 1840 in or around Clontarf where 6 of the 7 children were born (Seafield Avenue and Black Quarry in 2 cases, the rest just 'Clontarf'. One son died young and his address is Killester according to the Glasnevin records.

I'll be posting separately about the 'Misses Downes' who owned property in the area and whom I want to eliminate.

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