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Wiltshire / Re: Hannah Matthews
« on: Saturday 10 September 16 03:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Robin, thanks for your reply. Any information you are willing to share would be welcome!
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Down / Re: John Loughlin/Laughlin, Comber
« on: Thursday 24 July 14 06:51 BST (UK) »
Hi thamesboy, the certificate I have is for John Laughlin, and as far as I can tell it is "our" John Loughlin (I could be wrong of course). The date of death is 28 September 1892, he died at Auckland Hospital age 68 of septicemia. No family information is given, he is listed as a labourer, born Ireland, in NZ 27 years. He is buried at Waikomiti (Waikumete) cemetery, the minister/witness to burial is Duncan McPherson, City Missionary.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Lawrence Scott, or Strange?
« on: Tuesday 17 September 13 11:26 BST (UK) »
Stranger, unless some new evidence comes to light, I think I have to conclude that the family tree I saw was probably mistaken about Lawrence Scott being a child of the Strange family! All the evidence points to him being born to Samuel Francis Scott (abt. 1830 - 1916) and Ann Cryer, rather than the Stranges. Your Samuel Frank Scott (1856 - 1946), who married Marybell Strange, is this Samuel's son, so he is Lawrence's (1882 - 1955) oldest brother. With two Samuel Francis Scotts, and such a gap between oldest and youngest children of Samuel and Ann, it's probably not surprising that confusion arises about which generation Lawrence belongs to!
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Maria Frances Langley (Brunton)
« on: Tuesday 17 September 13 02:10 BST (UK) »
Hi 1716 and Saxonx. Sorry, I don't know anything about Annie Maria Langley - most of my knowledge of the Langleys has come from Rootschat - but perhaps if Saxon could give some details of Annie's Kent connections, maybe we could find a relationship there?
1716, nice to see another Brunton researcher! A small correction to your information, though - Maria Frances Langley was married to John, not Robert, Brunton (born in 1838 in Cousland, Cranston parish). Apart from that your information tallies with mine. I haven't managed to trace the Bruntons further back than the 1676 Robert (who married Dorothea Gray in 1702), so it would be interesting to see if your possible line could be confirmed.
1716, nice to see another Brunton researcher! A small correction to your information, though - Maria Frances Langley was married to John, not Robert, Brunton (born in 1838 in Cousland, Cranston parish). Apart from that your information tallies with mine. I haven't managed to trace the Bruntons further back than the 1676 Robert (who married Dorothea Gray in 1702), so it would be interesting to see if your possible line could be confirmed.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Lawrence Scott, or Strange?
« on: Saturday 24 August 13 09:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks, minniehaha, I found that obituary recently - very interesting, and it told me a few things I didn't know about him!
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Lawrence Scott, or Strange?
« on: Saturday 24 August 13 06:45 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to get to the bottom of a possible mystery regarding my great grandfather, Lawrence Scott. He was born 22 Jan 1882 in Little Rakaia, and registered as the son of Samuel Francis Scott (abt 1830 - 1916) and Ann Cryer (1839 - 1925). He married Emma Catherine Kemp in 1909. As far as I know he was raised by Samuel and Ann, as they are listed as his parents on his birth and marriage certificates.
I had no reason to question this until few years ago, when I found a family tree that had Lawrence Scott STRANGE, born 22 Jan 1882, married to Emma Catherine Kemp, and it said his parents were Frederick Strange and Mary Bell Marychurch. It appears to be the same Lawrence, with two different sets of parents. I have found no evidence to back up that the Stranges were his parents, but there must be some reason the two families would "claim" him.
The Scotts were definitely connected to the Strange family - Samuel and Ann Scott's eldest son Samuel Francis Scott (b. 1856) married Mary Bell Strange (b. abt 1870, daughter of Frederick and Mary Bell Strange) in 1890. Is it possible that this couple, very young (and unmarried in 1882), had Lawrence, and he was raised by one or both sets of grandparents? Or is the family tree I saw simply mistaken?
I had no reason to question this until few years ago, when I found a family tree that had Lawrence Scott STRANGE, born 22 Jan 1882, married to Emma Catherine Kemp, and it said his parents were Frederick Strange and Mary Bell Marychurch. It appears to be the same Lawrence, with two different sets of parents. I have found no evidence to back up that the Stranges were his parents, but there must be some reason the two families would "claim" him.
The Scotts were definitely connected to the Strange family - Samuel and Ann Scott's eldest son Samuel Francis Scott (b. 1856) married Mary Bell Strange (b. abt 1870, daughter of Frederick and Mary Bell Strange) in 1890. Is it possible that this couple, very young (and unmarried in 1882), had Lawrence, and he was raised by one or both sets of grandparents? Or is the family tree I saw simply mistaken?
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Kent / Re: Maria Frances Langley b. Woolwich
« on: Sunday 28 July 13 04:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you, casalguidi - finally some progress on the Langley family! Your information is tallying with my other post on the NZ board. It looks like Edward died in Lewisham in 1854, and his widow Mary Maria took the four children to NZ in 1863. I'm still keen to find a birth or christening record for Maria Frances showing the names of her parents (the FreeBMD record doesn't name them), and further information about Edward's family would also be appreciated, but it all seems to be adding up that this is indeed her family. 
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Maria Frances Langley (Brunton)
« on: Sunday 28 July 13 04:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all that, Lucy and jorose. It's certainly sounding like this NZ Mary Maria Langley is Mary Maria Marchant from Kent, and the mother of (Maria) Frances. The little details seem to be adding up - like Frances naming two of her children Edward and Eleanor (Brunton), and the 1851 census showing Edward and Maria had a daughter Frances, but it would be great if a birth or christening record would show up naming them as Maria Frances' parents - fingers crossed I don't need to fork out for another certificate!
Funny that I've never previously found any suggestion before that Frances had Langley family in NZ - usually that sort of information is readily passed down through the generations, though with all the variations in names it would be understandable that researchers haven't uncovered this before! I've never heard of her referred to as "Fanny", but the "Marchard" reference on her death cert is the best evidence that Mary Maria is indeed her mother. There doesn't seem to be any mention of Fanny being around her mother after they arrived in NZ - perhaps they weren't very close?
Funny that I've never previously found any suggestion before that Frances had Langley family in NZ - usually that sort of information is readily passed down through the generations, though with all the variations in names it would be understandable that researchers haven't uncovered this before! I've never heard of her referred to as "Fanny", but the "Marchard" reference on her death cert is the best evidence that Mary Maria is indeed her mother. There doesn't seem to be any mention of Fanny being around her mother after they arrived in NZ - perhaps they weren't very close?
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Maria Frances Langley (Brunton)
« on: Saturday 27 July 13 10:54 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have posted previously about this person on the Kent board, and not had much luck, so I'm hoping further information can be found about her in NZ. I believe Maria Frances Langley was born in Lewisham in 1848, but I am not certain who her parents were. Her death certificate (as "Frances Brunton") says her parents were "Langlie" and "Marchard" (no first names given), and I suspect they may have been Edward Langley and Mary Maria Marchant, who married in Whitechapel in 1847, but I haven't yet been able to prove this. She married John Brunton in Auckland in 1864 at the age of 16, and died in Wade in 1887, aged 39. Their marriage certificate gives no family details.
I would like to find out when she came to NZ, and who, if anybody, she arrived with. Her death certificate says she had been in NZ for 26 years, suggesting an arrival of around 1861. The closest I can find is a Langley family that arrived on the "Silver Eagle" in 1863, with a Maria M., Fanny H., Helen, two Emmas (?!), and an Edward, but no Maria Frances. I can't be certain if Maria M Langley is Mary Maria Marchant, but she might be the Mary Maria Langley who died in Auckland in 1870 at the age of 45. This Mary had been widowed for 17 years, so the Edward on the ship may have been a son, rather than her husband.
So - I'm looking for evidence that this is Maria Frances Langley's family, and if so was she with them when they arrived? Can anyone find a separate shipping record for her, or is it possible that one of the girls listed for the 1863 arrival could somehow be her (the two Emmas listed could be a mistake)? Are there any records of her in NZ prior to her marriage in 1864, or anything else that might indicate who her family were?
I would like to find out when she came to NZ, and who, if anybody, she arrived with. Her death certificate says she had been in NZ for 26 years, suggesting an arrival of around 1861. The closest I can find is a Langley family that arrived on the "Silver Eagle" in 1863, with a Maria M., Fanny H., Helen, two Emmas (?!), and an Edward, but no Maria Frances. I can't be certain if Maria M Langley is Mary Maria Marchant, but she might be the Mary Maria Langley who died in Auckland in 1870 at the age of 45. This Mary had been widowed for 17 years, so the Edward on the ship may have been a son, rather than her husband.
So - I'm looking for evidence that this is Maria Frances Langley's family, and if so was she with them when they arrived? Can anyone find a separate shipping record for her, or is it possible that one of the girls listed for the 1863 arrival could somehow be her (the two Emmas listed could be a mistake)? Are there any records of her in NZ prior to her marriage in 1864, or anything else that might indicate who her family were?