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Hi - August Kirste is in my family tree. He was the father in law of my second cousin twice removed Henry Eagles (1882 - 1919). Henry married Rosetta Caroline KIrste in West Ham in 1906. Henry was born in Silvertown near West Ham in 1882. His parents were William Henry Eagles and Amelia Eagles (nee Fox).

William was born in Flaxley, Gloucestershire on 20th Feb 1855. He and Amelia moved to the West Ham area after their marriage in 1876 and are shown on the 1881 census are shown as living at 24 Upper Grey Street, West Ham.

If you are on Ancestry you can find my family tree (Beard Family Tree) and there and maybe you will be able to tell me if I have made any mistakes with the details of August's descendants.

Kind regards

Paul

Hi. Thanks for your reply. To clarify, I have the following documents in respect of Frances. Her marriage, as Frances Mary Evans, to Frederick John Stoner (19th Apr 1903 Lower Beeding GRO 2b 338) and shows her as spinster. Father shown as James Evans railway guard. Frances shown as aged 23.

Her marriage, as Frances Mary Stoner, nee Evans, to Francis Richard Eggleton (19th Aug 1917 Margate GRO 2a 2308) and shows her as widow. Father shown as James Evans (deceased) former railway guard. Frederick John Stoner died on 18th February 1963 in Shoreham. Evidence from his death certificate and headstone of grave. Checks with National Archives proved negative re any potential divorce between Frederick and Frances.

Lillian Frances Mary Stoner was born 17th Nov 1904 in Lower Beeding (GRO 2b 291). Parents Frances Mary Stoner nee Evans and Frederick John Stoner. 1911 Census shows her and her father living with his parents and siblings of his in Lower Beeding. His army enlistment forms (1915) confirm exact details of wife as per their marriage certificate. Whereabouts of his wife shown as unknown, with army shown as awaiting details of guardian (which were her grandparents - George Friend & Mary Ann Stoner - the parents of Frederick John Stoner), who lived in Sandygate Lane, Lower Beeding).

Birth certificate of Elsie May Stoner (GRO 2b 203) shows her born 2nd Mar 1908 at Church Farm, which was in Sandygate Lane, Lower Beeding. Birth certificate of Agnes Rose Stoner (GRO 2a Page 1024) shows her born 29th Dec 1910 at 15 Belmont Street, Ramsgate. Father shown as Frederick John Stoner.  She died in 1911 (GRO 2a 1358). I have also traced a third birth, of a male in Thanet in 1913 and am awaiting the birth certificate. He died in Thanet in 1913.

1911 Census in Thanet shows Frances as housekeeper and her daughters as children of Joseph Emptage, which is contrary to the details on the birth certificates. There is no trace of Frances ever marrying Joseph. I believe that the person shown on the marriage certificates to Frederick John Stoner and Francis Richard Eggleton is one and the same. I have traced a death for Frances Mary Eggleton and am awaiting her death certificate. Also awaited is the 1993 death certificate for Elsie May Holmes (GRO B54A Entry 291). Death record gives identical date of birth as for Elsie May Stoner (3rd Mar 1908).

Hi - thanks for getting back to me. I have checked the Stoner - Holmes marriage and her date of birth is a few years out on her death record. I have the birth certificate for the Elsie I am looking for and the date of 2nd March 1908 tallies exactly with the IOW site report. I've also looked through the family tree of the marriage you have found and, although bride and spouse surnames match it is another family. I'll have a better idea when the death certificate arrives - hopefully I can see clearly what her name was at time of marriage, who she was the widow or surviving spouse of when she died.

I've exhausted my options - have checked suggestion re 'Rose Beeadle' - birth certificate does not relate to person I am seeking but worth a shot in the dark. I am left to conclude that she may have been born in Scotland, where her mother came from, but why continually use place names in Yorkshire on Census returns as where she was born? I suppose another possibility is that she was adopted so would never know what her birth name was. Thanks to all of those who have helped try to solve this mystery. Happy New Year.

Dave - thank you. That isn't something I had actually thought of so will see where that takes me. Regards - Paul