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Hello folks can any one offer any other direction to take on Fanny (Frances ) Mc Cann please. She was my Dad's mum and although I have made strides with the Mc Canns she is still as puzzling as ever . She married Thomas Mc Cann in 1896 First off I found she had a baby daughter named Mary who passed away after 3 days and as far as I know my dad knew nothing of this birth, later on they had another daughter also named Mary a year before my dad's birth, I have found her death at the convent at Mountjoy in 1916 and this part of the story I knew. She was taken there after Fanny herself died at a young age leaving her three children, James, Mary and Patrick.

The Terence that Dathai suggested is indeed my Dad the details match on his parents but he is shown as Terence Barber Mc Cann , who knows why and he always said his birthday was the 18th of June 1904, I realise that he obviously applied for a copy of his baptism certificate from the pro cathedral as he could never get a birth certificate as identity proof because of the name, but why his name change? Unless it's mistake of the registrar. It also crossed my mind he could have been a twin, but can't see any record.

Now Fanny herself has created the biggest mystery , when she married Thomas she named her father as James Carolan and a line runs through his occupation which has made me wonder did this mean deceased. On checking all the James Carolans the most likely one is James who lived at Stoney Butter and Blackhall place , leaving his large family he passed away at the age of 55 yrs and was a blacksmith, but no where on any record is Fanny shown as a daughter , the only thing making me lean towards him which I know is wrong is the fact his daughter Ann married a William Lawlor and this is the name of the female sponsor on my dad's baptism certificate, and Ann's marriage certificate shows the same line running through her fathers occupation, does this really mean deceased ? With Fanny Carolan as a witness at their wedding in 1891 and for Ann's children the sponsors includes Frances or Fanny Carolan all before the marriage date for Fanny,
The names Lawlor and Byrne seem attached to the Carolans and Mc Canns, at the time of Fanny losing their first daughter Mary They were living at Hogans Avenue very close to more of the Lawlor family

All of this info is a lot to digest but intriguing as most history is , I have used so many combinations of the names to tie into James Caloran but still the only clue is on her marriage certificate of April 1896. I have even asked myself could she be an illegitimate child of his that was drawn into the family, strange thought I know to think of your gran but weirder things have happened in family's . I also know this is a lot to ask anyone to digest but if I have missed anything that anyone can see I would be pleased to hear from you. I have to say that the records on the Irish genealogy site is great asset to have to hand so well done to them. Cheers L.B

Big thanks to owltalk for your reply and your offer of more info , all as I know of the area I was directed in was to cross from the church and pass the well/ memorial on the left to go up the track. Obviously there was nothing to see apart from the new houses.

 I have taken copies of the photos sent to me and they have turned out quite good considering being paper copies and the age of them  I am just having trouble posting them for comparison as they were photographed using my I.pad can you suggest any format please as I have never done this before .
One is of building , the others are interior, what is interesting is Chris said there was another room which he did not venture into as it appeared unsafe. Could this be the third building on your photos


The originals were photographed in 2007 so about the same time frame as yours but a different angle
Cheers l.b

Hi Steve, no luck with email for chap in Llansillan it keeps bouncing back, but I will keep trying another way. Oh and Richard jones is my gt grandfather , got carried away with the greats. Although from what I have heard he was a great man.
Cheers lb

The info I was given when I was there was the Bake house had been demolished but when I got home the chap I had spoken with very kindly sent me a photo of it prior to it happening, it looked very much like the one shown in the photos displayed, the group involved with the history of Llansillan realising what was happening had taken as many pics of the area as they could. I have it in my records I know but at the moment it will take a while. You could try contacting the history society for the village, they were more than helpful to me and met me in the church with all records and could not have been kinder, the time and effort they have made in documenting everything is amazing, they even gave me info on family further afield.