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Clare / Re: GINNANE/HENNESSY family of Clare
« on: Tuesday 21 June 16 03:06 BST (UK)  »
This couple below were 3rd cousins :--- 
“Dispensation in 4th degree et / & 4th degree consanguinitatis  ex duplica { dipiti or clipite ? } obtenta”  :---   photos now on www.registers.nli.ie   
M#0584  JANUARY 23rd 1866              JOHN HENNESSY from QUERRIN     
married to MARY GINNANE from LISHEEN  sic ? = Mary Guinnane from Lisheen ?
Witnesses:  here as Jas. = JAMES HENNESSY & MARY QUEALY     
Priest:  Fr Michael Molony ,  here as Ml Molony ,  not Fr M C Moloney       

3rd-Cousins marrying :  One pair of the 16 great-great-grandparents of the groom was also one pair of the 16 great-great-grandparents of the bride.      Mary Ginane / Mary Guinane from Lisheen :  this is a few miles north of the Rahona East farm & Carrigaholt village.    She will likely be a daughter of the ‘separate’ Denis Ginnane family from near there, who preferred to use the spelling of Denis Guinnane from LisheenFurroor, or further north in Kilfearagh Civil Parish at Doonaghboy / Ballyonan or Foohagh.     
From the “Naming Pattern” Mary’s mother was Bridget Guinnane.   
John & Mary Hennessy baptised at least 6 children at Querrin :---   
* This family from Doonaghboy / Kilfearagh usually spelled themselves as Guinnane.           
[ So, Mary is associated with the separate, ‘Denis Guinnane’ family line ?  ]
[ Also, see 2012 research by & for Christine Mackay from Toowoomba, Queensland.  ]   
[ Also see emails 20150312 with Joanne Sexton / Joanne Campbell from Lismore,NSW  -- she went to Templemeeagh, Querrin in 2013.       ]   
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Group of at least 6 Hennessy-Guinnane / Hennessey-Ginnane siblings @ Querrin :---     
#2146  Bridget in early October 1867 {as Guinnane, Sponsor: Ellen Guinnane };         
#2553  Kate on Feb 11th 1870 {as Guinnane, Sponsor: Ellen Guinnane };       
#2947  Mary on April 23rd 1872 {as Ginnane, Sponsor: Honor Hennessy };         
Ellen on April 28th 1875 {as Ginane, Sponsor: Mary Hennessy };     
Martin on Oct 27th 1877 {as Guinane, Sponsor: Johanna Walshe };     
& in late 1878(?):  Ellen H. {a.k.a. Nellie Hennessy O’Keeffe Garranson {as Ginnane};   + other sibling(s) ?               
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[ See the 1882 Rent Review just below for an Edmond Ginnane from LisheenFurroor  =  maybe Mary & Bridget{ see M#0438 }’s  brother or father ?  ]     
The website  www.EPPI.DIPPAM.AC.UK  has lists of 1882 Judicial Rent Reviews :  a time not long after this Parish Register which operated until March 17th 1878.    And so many of the farmers’ names will be the same.     Unfortunately, the data is .csv formatted into a shambles ?          There is a sample, including #412 for an Edmond (Ned) Ginnane from LisheenFurroor in this transcription .           
Mary & Ned’s sister Bridget is in the database of applications for the Old Age Pension Search of the 1851 Census.   
Also see Margaret’s marriage  M#0732 on Feb 14th 1870  = was Margaret a sister of Mary & Bridget (senior) & Ned ?           ====  More from Murray at Ginnane.co.nz

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I'll update my earlier post on Shaun Francis GUINNANE buried in Mangere Memorial Garden Cemetery, Manukau, Auckland, New Zealand in 1984 aged 61yrs. 
Shaun has a sister Eileen Burke(?) between Kilkee & Carrigaholt in southwest County Clare, Ireland.   Eileen has a daughter Mary Burke / Mary Bourke(?) who works at the Long Dock in West St, Carrigaholt.   Mary has Walsh children.  Shaun / Sean & Eileen had a brother in southeast Australia who left descendants.  Those Guinnane were from the townlands area of Fooagh/Foohagh / Lisluinaghan in Kilfearagh Civil Parish just southeast from Kilkee Beach.   

They will probably be related to me (& to the other 5 or 6 historic local Ginnane/Guinane families near Carrigaholt ), but not before 1800, maybe back in the early 1700s?    Murray at Ginnane.co.nz

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Clare / Re: Guinnane / Ginnane / Guinane of Querrin & Kilkee, etc
« on: Tuesday 22 February 11 21:31 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the note, 'Sooheen'.
I have transcribed the whole Baptism & Marriage Registers for Carrigaholt (which also covered Querrin, Cross & LoopHead, etc areas then) from 1852-1878. 

Would you like me to email you a copy?  Please 'PM = Personal Message' me, or look for my email in the Guestbook of www.Carrigaholt.net website.   

There were several Guinane / Ginnane, etc families in the area at that time, including yours at Querrin, and mine at Rahona East.

I am trying to separate them out & relate them to each other. 

Murray at Ginnane.co.nz

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Clare / Re: Shaun Francis Guinnane of NEW ZEALAND & KILKEE
« on: Monday 14 February 11 01:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much for the help & interest. 

Otara, NZ is where Shaun was living at the time of his death.
He appears on the NZ Electoral Rolls there in the late 1950s.
I haven't found any other sign of his life.   He must have rented a flat, not owned one.
Very low-profile.

In NZ there is a free website www.BDMHistoricalRecords.DIA.Govt.nz/search 
where a restricted range of BDM = BirthsDeathsMarriages info is available to anyone. 

Shaun's death [miss-spelled as Shuan] shows up there for 1984, with a birth date of 12th MAY 1923 [ note the discrepancy to the headstone, where it is given as 22nd MAY 1923]. 
But not any other GUINNANE BDMs.

And the only other genuine GUINNANE in NZ history was a visiting priest who signed the Te Aroha goldfields Hot Spa Visitors' Book in 1884, and the local newspaper duly reported it (twice). 

www.PapersPast.NatLib.Govt.nz is our free digitised, searchable newspaper & magazine resource, for anyone interested.     

I am a bit spoiled, here in NZ, with my "GINNANE" extended-family.  There were ever only two or three dozen people at a time with the related group of surname spellings  --- and I know most of them, --- except this Shaun / Sean / Shuan.   
So it bugs me, a bit.      Quite a big bit, actually. 

So there are no other appearances of Guinnane in NZ history.
 
The undertaker at Shaun's funeral collected the information that he came to NZ about mid-1950s.

I am very keen to follow this up, if you can lead me to pastures greener & foreign fields?!?

Again, many thanks from me & from everyone else too, I'm sure. 
If these records survive for a hundred years, maybe the info will be of use to someone? 

---   Murray Michael Ginnane.  Born 1950 and still in Hamilton, N.Z.    Feb 13th 2011

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Clare / Shaun Francis Guinnane from Kilkee, Clare to New Zealand
« on: Sunday 13 February 11 22:41 GMT (UK)  »
If anyone is researching the GUINNANE surname from County Clare, I have found a "loose end" in Mangere Cemetery, Auckland, New Zealand. 
I would like to place him either in or out of my family tree, --- and someone else may be wondering what happened to him?

SHAUN FRANCIS GUINNANE (officially miss-spelled SHUAN in NZ BDM !!!) apparently lived as a bachelor carpenter in South Auckland, NZ from about the mid-1950s, until he died on JULY 22nd 1984, aged 61. 
His headstone refers to 'Family in Ireland & Australia' -- perhaps he stopped off in Australia first?   A fare-paid, 'assisted immigrant'?     
It seems he may have been born in or near Kilkee, Co.Clare around 22nd May 1923.  There are still several Guinnanes living in Kilkee / Donnoughboy.

Kilkee is about 9 miles north of Rahona East, Carrigaholt where my Ginnanes come from. 
There was a Sean Guinnane playing GAA football for Dalcassians & in Ennis, Clare around 1941 to 1952 -- perhaps him?

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Clare / Re: Help please- Malone -- not likely to be from Carrigaholt area.
« on: Saturday 12 February 11 22:34 GMT (UK)  »
In the Carrigaholt Catholic Registers from 1852-1878, there is only one reference to MALONE :
Baptised on : FEBRUARY 4th 1858   MARY FENNELL from KILKEE
Parents : Tom FENNELL & BIDY GORMAN
Sponsors : Tom Malone & as Ellon, Ellen Malone             
Revd P Meehan

While these registers only covered the extreme southwest of Co.Clare, almost up to, but NOT including Kilkee or Kilrush towns, ---- a few baptisms like this one occurred when the local mother and/or father returned 'home' to give birth.   Fennell & Gorman are common local names to Carrigaholt. 

I would infer from this, that the Malone couple, as sponsors, were from the Kilkee town or area, because I have studied well the areas south from here, the few miles to Carrigaholt, and there were no other references to Malone. 

I'm sending this note just so you can 'cross Carrigaholt off your list' and concentrate elsewhere? 

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Clare / Re: Considine of Clare - 1699
« on: Saturday 12 February 11 20:19 GMT (UK)  »
Because this 1699 record of a Considine marriage is so old, I wonder if it is possible to work forwards from it to the 1800s?  Perhaps they'll meet up with your one?     
Lack is a few miles east of Kilrush.     
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Mar 22nd 1699 : Daniel Considine from Lack, Co.Clare married to Jane Sulivan.
Bondsman: Richard Lillis from Newmarket, Co.Clare.
For wordsearch : Sullivan
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Also, just out of interest ....
June 27th 1719 James Molony of Ennis married Catherine Torpey from Carriggaholt (sic.).   
Terence McMahon from Clonndonough, Co.Clare went bond for them. 
For wordsearch : Torpy, Carrigaholt,
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Clare / Re: Nugents (these are not of Corrakyle?)
« on: Saturday 12 February 11 20:03 GMT (UK)  »
Unusual surname for Clare -- so just in case it fills a gap for someone ....... spelled as Nughent ....

On April 20th 1867 I have a John Hourihan, baptised as a Catholic to Matt Hourihan & Mary Nugent of Rehy, between Carrigaholt & Kilbaha, southwest Clare. [ from the Baptism Register of St Mary's, Carrigaholt. ]
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Also, a Member of the British Parliament for Clare before 1852 was a William Nugent Macnamara.  Would that mean he was a Protestant / Anglican? and his mother? was perhaps a Nugent?




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Clare / Re: Landers and Cleary
« on: Monday 07 February 11 09:34 GMT (UK)  »
I have found quite a few LANDERS & CLEARYS also living in Moyarta Barony, Carrigaholt, and the LoopHead Lighthouse area.   
Try website guestbooks on www.Carrigaholt.net  and  www.LoopHeadClare.com 

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On FEB 28th 1865, there was a Michael Landers from Moneen, not Moveen?, married Mary Griffin in the Greater Carrigaholt Parish, west Co.Clare.
On Dec 24th 1869 they baptised Patrick.
On June 18th 1872 they baptised John.
On August 19th 1874 they baptised Bridget.
Jan 4 1878 they baptised Margaret.

On Jan 23rd 1866, a Thomas Landers or Lardner? married Bridget Corbett. (Although there was also a local Lardner family, now spelled Larner.)
 

On June 2nd 1859, John Molony of Ross, and his wife nee Mary Landers, baptised their baby Patrick in Greater Carrigaholt Parish, possibly the new Church at Moneen. 

In April or May 1853, John Moloney of Carrigaholt, and his wife nee Margaret Landers, baptised their baby John.
On Dec 14th 1855, John Moloney from Kiltrellig, & his wife Margaret [ as Peg ] nee Landers baptised Bridget. Johanna Landers was a sponsor. 
Also, a John Moloney of Moneen and his wife nee Margaret Landers baptised their baby John on April 29th 1868; = perhaps different couples? 

On June 29th 1859, Roger Finnell / Fennell of Ross, and his wife nee Johanna Landers, baptised their baby Honora (Norry) Fennell in the Greater Carrigaholt Parish, probably at Moneen. Moloneys were their sponsors.     

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Jan 25th 1855 Patrick Cleary from Kilballyowen and his wife nee Bridget Curtin baptised their baby Margaret.
Also they baptised Patrick on Jan 11th 1860.

On Dec 4th 1863 John Cleary of Carrigaholt and his wife nee Bridget Ford, baptised Margaret.

There were also other Landers & Clearys here, including a female Cleary married to a male Mulvihill. 

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