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Cork / Re: 3 or 4 married Sullivan sisters! Who are their parents?
« on: Tuesday 24 January 12 00:10 GMT (UK)  »
This is another point of interest that may be helpful from my new found relative. We're trying to confirm the name James Sullivan. He could be the father or maybe a brother?????


a listing from Griffith's Valuation (tax list) 1870-1884 Cork, Mitchelstown, Barony of Condon & Clangibbow, Parish of Brigown, Ballynabrock:
1879 - James Sullivan replaced on the tax list by Patrick Donohoe, Immediate Lessors Countess of Kingston, Area 19 A. ,1 R. 32, P. 32; Land 8 pounds; Buildings 15 s.; total 8 pounds, 15 shillings
This is a very good clue to the father of Johannah and Mary. It  looks like when  Patrick Donoghue married James Sullivan's daughter, Johannah, he took over his land. Of course I would like more documentation but I think this is pretty solid. Ballynabrock is the tiny townland that the Donoghues still live on today. It is near Mitchelstown but is very rural and is mostly small farms. To do further research, you now know that the Sullivans came from the tiny townland of Ballynabrock or Ballinabough in Mitchelstown, County Cork.

Thanks again for everything you do.
Jeff



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Cork / Re: 3 or 4 married Sullivan sisters! Who are their parents?
« on: Monday 23 January 12 22:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sonas.

Yes the Sullivan's are from Mitchelstown. I didn't know where Castletown was therefore I couldn't confirm the father's name. I am researching Marshalstown as an area where the Hanley's MIGHT be from.

Thanks, Jeff

Another bit of information is that my GGGF Daniel Hanley had a brother named John if that helps.

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Cork / 3 or 4 married Sullivan sisters! Who are their parents?
« on: Monday 23 January 12 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hello everyone! I am new to the CORK board with some new information I received from a newly found relative. I've been spending most of my time on the Leitrim board following KIERNAN.

Here we go. I'll try not to confuse you. The first listed is my GGGF/M.
Mary J Sullivan ((b:1844-46) m: Daniel Hanley
Johannah Sullivan (b:1857) m: Patrick Donoghue (b:1854)
The other two sisters can't be confirmed, but this is what Mary Sullivan Hanley obit said in the Oct. 1924 San Francisco Chronicle: survived by her sister Ellen Mullen and the late Mrs John Dwyer (I have no information on these two).
I know that Johannah Sullivan Donoghue remained  and died in CORK . 1901 Census link below.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Mitchelstown/Ballinabrook/1152988/

I can't confirm the link below of a Mary Sullivan / Daniel Hanley marriage because we can't confirm the fathers name with the sisters
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGHR-N8F

Thanks for any help or suggestions you may have. Any info on the Hanley's would also be appreciated.

Jeff




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Leitrim / Re: Edward Kiernan from Drummucker, Co Leitrim
« on: Saturday 17 December 11 03:09 GMT (UK)  »
Could one of these two Edward Kiernan's be who I am looking for? Or is it a brother or cousin!

Edward Kiernan and Ann Gill or Edward Kiernan and Catherine O'Brien.

Here's the specifics.

My GGGF John Kiernan married Eliza Charles on 29 Nov 1866. His fathers name was EDWARD
 
#1) Edward Kiernan (69 in 1901, Deceased before 1911, fathers name JOHN)/ Ann Gill (54 in 1901, 73 in 1911) were married on the EXACT SAME DAY as my GGGF John and I believe at the same church in 1866. Is that a coincidence? Did family members marry on the same day back then (father/son, brother/brother, cousins). Their first child Catherine was born in 1867. 11 more children were born up to Terence in 1890. Since the fathers names are different I'm leaning towards a brother or cousin.

#2) Edward Kiernan (65 in 1901, not in 1911, don't know father name)/ Catherine O'Brien (60 in 1901, not in 1911). I do not know when they were married. The first child that I know of (John) was born in 1864. Their 7th of 8 (Alice) birth certificate says "Drummucker" as their residence. My GGGF John lived in Drummucker!

So, on the one hand I have an Edward who was married on the same day as my GGGF, and on the other I have an Edward who's child was born in the same townland "Drummucker".

Any Ideas?
Thanks, Jeff


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Leitrim / Re: Edward Kiernan from Drummucker, Co Leitrim
« on: Sunday 27 February 11 19:21 GMT (UK)  »
Aghadowey and razor8 - thank you for your replies!

Aghadowey - I had the information on both Mary and John marriages in NY and know that John and Kate Harte had a daughter (Mary) born in 1904. The birth certificate says that Mary was the second child, but I can't find any information on the first child. Finding ANY information on Smith's is very, very, difficult. I also know that the sister Margaret became a sister (no pun intended) in NY. I
can't find any information on the other siblings Eliza or Hugh although I think Eliza might have been in Rhode Island.

razor8 - I can't find a Hugh Kiernan in the 1911 census from Drummucker on-line that you have in your attachment.  Can you help! I can only find Elizabeth and Owen. If there is a Hugh that might be the sibling listed above depending on his age.

Thanks again,
Jeff

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Leitrim / Edward Kiernan from Drummucker, Co Leitrim
« on: Wednesday 20 October 10 18:33 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone help me connect the dots in finding information on my GGGGF Edward Kiernan from Drummucker. The marriage of his son John (below) list Edward as the father - no information on the mother. The Griffith's and 1901 census databases list two Kiernan families from Drummucker - Edward (Edmond) and John. The Edward listed could be the Edward I am looking for or it could be John's brother. The 1901 census list their ages as only 15 years apart so I'm not sure.

Here is what I know:

John Kiernan (my GGGF) married Eliza Charles on November 29th 1866 at the Roman Catholic Church in Drumeela. He was a farmer who lived in Drummucker. His fathers name was Edward and he too was a farmer. Eliza was a spinster was lived in Corohople (now Cloonecoose). Her fathers name was Thomas who was a farmer. The witnesses at the marriage were Thomas Brady and Mary Charles. They were both of full age (?) at the time of the wedding.

John and Eliza had 6 children that I know of (there may be more):

1.) Mary Ann Kiernan – born on Aug 30 1867
2.) Edward Kiernan my GGF born on Apr 23 1869
3.) John Kiernan born on June 26 1871
4.) Eliza Kiernan born on Mar 15 1873.
5.) Hugh Kiernan born on Apr 27 1875.
6.) Margaret Kiernan born on July 31 1878.

Other information that I found is the 1823 or 1833 Carrigallen Church records that had these Kiernan's from the townland of Drummucker who belonged to the parish

Bryan - age 45
Margaret - 42 - wife
Margaret - 23 - dau
Edward - 22 - son
Bryan - 20 - son
John - 18 - son
Thomas - 16 - son
Mary - 11 - dau
Hugh - 8 - son

Can anyone help in finding any information on Edward (marriage, spouse, children)? I am stuck with the Irish families being so big back then and the families using the same names over and over again.

Thanks in advance!
Jeff



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