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Lincolnshire / Re: Phyllis Cliffe (formerly Brown, nee Johnston)
« on: Friday 05 June 15 19:03 BST (UK) »
Chempat - yes, that was one of the things we found.
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Lincolnshire / Re: Phyllis Cliffe (formerly Brown, nee Johnston)
« on: Friday 05 June 15 09:39 BST (UK) »
Groom ... no she wasn't Brazilian and she didn't marry four times, although she did marry at least twice, but not to Mr Griffiths. Couldn't believe how many people had the same names, dates, places etc, it has been a real maze to get through, lol.
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Lincolnshire / Re: Phyllis Cliffe (formerly Brown, nee Johnston)
« on: Friday 05 June 15 01:03 BST (UK) »
We found her!
Grateful thanks for all your interest, but we have found who we're looking for! After discounting the multitude of red herrings, it turns out that the marriage to Morton was the correct one, and the daughter used that surname henceforward. We then found the daughter's marriage and then her listing in the latest electoral registers. We even discovered photos!
Result!
Grateful thanks for all your interest, but we have found who we're looking for! After discounting the multitude of red herrings, it turns out that the marriage to Morton was the correct one, and the daughter used that surname henceforward. We then found the daughter's marriage and then her listing in the latest electoral registers. We even discovered photos!
Result!
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Lincolnshire / Re: Phyllis Cliffe (formerly Brown, nee Johnston)
« on: Thursday 04 June 15 00:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your interest everyone, I'm very grateful.
However, the story may have moved on a way. It is possible that:
a) Phyllis wasn't English but Brazilian, in which case she might have got confused as to what surname to put where, and in none of her subsequent marriages did she call herself Cliffe!
b) It is possible that her marriage to Morton was annulled.
We are also now wondering whether she HAD to keep getting married in order to avoid being sent back to Brazil. It's a very obscure hypothesis, but not entirely out of the question, maybe?
However, the story may have moved on a way. It is possible that:
a) Phyllis wasn't English but Brazilian, in which case she might have got confused as to what surname to put where, and in none of her subsequent marriages did she call herself Cliffe!
b) It is possible that her marriage to Morton was annulled.
We are also now wondering whether she HAD to keep getting married in order to avoid being sent back to Brazil. It's a very obscure hypothesis, but not entirely out of the question, maybe?
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Lincolnshire / Re: Phyllis Cliffe (formerly Brown, nee Johnston)
« on: Wednesday 03 June 15 22:15 BST (UK) »
Chempat, it's possible, but I don't have any certificates as the research is being done on behalf of someone else and the initial information I was given to work with was very scant indeed.
Thank you ever so much for your interest, and I'll follow that lead to see if it throws any more light on the puzzle.
Thank you again
Thank you ever so much for your interest, and I'll follow that lead to see if it throws any more light on the puzzle.
Thank you again
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Lincolnshire / Phyllis Cliffe (formerly Brown, nee Johnston)
« on: Wednesday 03 June 15 19:55 BST (UK) »
Phyllis B Johnston apparently had 4 marriages, in Surrey (to H Brown), Grimsby (to H Cliffe), Grimsby (to W Morton?) and Hampstead (to P Griffiths) respectively. A daughter was born into the second marriage, between Phyllis and Henry T Cliffe. She was born in 1947 in Surrey.
It is possible, but by no means 100% certain, that when the daughter was 5 years old, her then step-father adopted her and changed her surname to his. I'd be interested and very grateful to hear from anyone who may be able to tell me more about Phyllis and/or, more especially her daughter.
Many thanks
I have also posted this on another board as I am 'clutching at straws' here, and as the family were in both areas, I'm not sure which one would be best ... so opted for both.
It is possible, but by no means 100% certain, that when the daughter was 5 years old, her then step-father adopted her and changed her surname to his. I'd be interested and very grateful to hear from anyone who may be able to tell me more about Phyllis and/or, more especially her daughter.
Many thanks
I have also posted this on another board as I am 'clutching at straws' here, and as the family were in both areas, I'm not sure which one would be best ... so opted for both.
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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Phyllis Cliffe, nee Johnston (Surrey, London & Grimsby)
« on: Wednesday 03 June 15 19:51 BST (UK) »
Phyllis B Johnston apparently had 4 marriages, in Surrey (to H Brown), Grimsby (to H Cliffe), Grimsby (to W Morton?) and Hampstead (to P Griffiths) respectively. A daughter was born into the second marriage, between Phyllis and Henry T Cliffe. She was born in 1947 in Surrey.
It is possible, but by no means 100% certain, that when the daughter was 5 years old, her then step-father adopted her and changed her surname to his. I'd be interested and very grateful to hear from anyone who may be able to tell me more about Phyllis and/or, more especially her daughter.
Many thanks
I have also posted this on another board as I am 'clutching at straws' here, and as the family were in both areas, I'm not sure which one would be best ... so opted for both.
It is possible, but by no means 100% certain, that when the daughter was 5 years old, her then step-father adopted her and changed her surname to his. I'd be interested and very grateful to hear from anyone who may be able to tell me more about Phyllis and/or, more especially her daughter.
Many thanks
I have also posted this on another board as I am 'clutching at straws' here, and as the family were in both areas, I'm not sure which one would be best ... so opted for both.
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The Common Room / Re: Records of Licensed Cattle Drovers?
« on: Friday 03 October 14 09:30 BST (UK) »
Wow! Thank you Kay99 for all that information, I hadn't expected there to be anything at all! I'm very grateful to you
Wendy
Wendy
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The Common Room / Records of Licensed Cattle Drovers?
« on: Friday 03 October 14 01:48 BST (UK) »
An ancester in 1869 lives in London, and is described as a Licensed Cattle Drover.
Can anyone throw any light on who would have issued the License, and whether there might be any surviving records of such?
Many thanks.
Wendy
Can anyone throw any light on who would have issued the License, and whether there might be any surviving records of such?
Many thanks.
Wendy