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Somerset / Re: Stokes's Barton, Bedminster...any information?
« on: Tuesday 15 November 22 17:37 GMT (UK)  »
My ggg grandfather was living in Stokes Barton in 1838 at the time of his marriage.

After lots of searching I found where the street is. On Bristol Know Your Place it is only marked on one map. Go to 1879-1888 Town Plans (limited coverage) and play around with the zoom in and out control, as this map only seems to appear at certain magnifications. Stokes Barton is on the north side of East Street, opposite the north end of Church Lane (not Church Road). It seems that Stokes Barton became the south end of Warden Road when Paradise Gardens was built over.

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England / Re: "Residing in parish" vs. "Of this parish"
« on: Friday 15 January 21 18:10 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: KGarrad on Friday 15 January 21 18:04 GMT (UK)
Could "resident of this parish" be somewhat similar to the term "Sojourner"?
With just a difference in degree of connection to the parish?

And, of course, "of this parish" does not imply that the person was born there!
A common misconception!

Yes, I considered the soujourner angle, but am not sure about this. The surname in question is not common but is found in abundance in a small cluster of neighbouring villages, so I think if the groom was not actually from the parish of the marriage, it's highly likely he was born in one of the other villages and moved to that parish specifically to marry. After the marriage he spent the rest of his life in that parish, so wasn't moving around regularly.


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England / Re: "Residing in parish" vs. "Of this parish"
« on: Friday 15 January 21 17:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your answers everyone. They pretty much confirm what I thought - the groom was not originally from the parish he married in (and settled in afterwards, by the way).

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England / "Residing in parish" vs. "Of this parish"
« on: Friday 15 January 21 13:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I wonder if anyone can guide me on this, please.

I have a marriage record from a parish register of 1789 where the bride is "of this parish" but the groom is "residing in this parish". Now, I know that OTP can mean they have only been living there long enough for the banns to be read, though I have no reason not to believe that the bride was born and brought up in that parish.

The groom's situation interests me. "Residing in the parish" makes me feel like he was definitely not from there originally. Given that OTP can be somewhat flexible, I'm puzzled why the vicar took the trouble to spell out the difference between the two spouses' status. I'm aware of the argument about being careful to flag "aliens" so the parish doesn't get stung for poor relief later on, but in that case I don't know why the groom is not described as "of the parish of X", which I've seen many times.

Why this is important to me is because this chap is the furthest back I have got in this line, so I can't be sure of a baptism for him, and therefore who his parents were, until I sort out where he was from (or not from). There is a baptism that fits within the parish in question, but also one in the parish next door and doubtless many more from parishes further afield!

So, does "residing in this parish" mean with any degree of certainty that he was from that parish (baptised there), or not from that parish?

Any thoughts or help would be most gratefully received.
Thank you.

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England / Re: "Of this Parish" on Certificates
« on: Friday 15 January 21 12:42 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: MasonT78 on Wednesday 09 September 20 03:41 BST (UK)

Appears to me that they were only in Bristol to get married.


Hi. I think this was quite a common situation. I have several instances of ancestors living in outlying villages in Gloucestershire having a second marriage in Bristol and being listed as OTP, even when I know they were not.
Perhaps a second marriage was frowned on a little (especially after the almost indecent haste with which some of my ancestors remarried!), so going into a large city added some anonymity and reduced gossip.

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Somerset Lookup Requests / Bedminster baptism lookup, please
« on: Wednesday 24 November 10 20:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, I wonder if someone could look up a baptism for me please?

John STRODE was born at the Bedminster workhouse on 21st June 1861. His mother was Mary Ann STRODE who had lived in Albion Place, Bedminster. I have his birth certificate (no father shown) but wondered whether the baptismal record might reveal who the father was.

I'm not sure whether in a case like this the baptism would be listed in the parish where the workhouse was, or in the mother's "home" parish.

Any help appreciated, thank you.

Jeremy.

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