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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Robert Courtney
« on: Monday 11 July 11 10:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi Daisy

Thank you for your email. I am of the opinion thatwhat my grandmother told my late father was not the complete story regarding his own father and the circumstances relating to his death. I would like to obtain a death certificate, but am not sure how to, or who exactly to contact. 

Korki

Quote from: Daisypetal on Thursday 07 July 11 16:19 BST (UK)
Hi,

Have you seen this?

William Robert COURTNEY, Greaser of M.M.R. HMS ARMADALE CASTLE
Apparently killed or died by means other than disease, accident or enemy action 18/12/1916
Buried in Wallasey Cemetery, Rakes Lane, Liscard, Cheshire ref  7. C./-/1.

See also http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2748163


The GRO War Death Navy All Ranks Indices has this reference,

William R COURTNEY of Armadale Castle,  Greaser  died 1916
RN.  Page:  883 

Have you got this death certificate?


Oh I see you've already been given this info,

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=542571.msg3962927;topicseen


Don't always believe family stories, I know from experience that they are not always true, Maybe your Grandmother told this to your father for reasons as yet undiscovered.


Regards,
Daisy


P.S. Please can a Moderator merge this with the other thread to avoid duplicate searches :)

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Family History Beginners Board / William Robert Courtney
« on: Wednesday 06 July 11 14:31 BST (UK)  »
William Robert Courtney
Merchant Marine Reserve (Greaser: HMS Armadale [Castle line])
b 28 January 1880. d 18 December 1916.
Spouse: Florence May Andrews (Married: 1908 July-September Qtr. Southampton, Hampshire)
A memorial plaque at the Rake Lane Cemetery, Wirral, Liverpool, lists the names of 7 war casualties, one of whom is my late grandfather: Robert William Courtney. All 7 casualties are non-related. There names and details are as shown below:
A BIRCH    Serjeant in Cheshire Regiment
3rd Bn.
Date of Death:   16/02/1917
Service No:   12053
   (Served as BURCH).
cwgc Screen Wall. 7. C. of E. 1.
WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY

GEORGE, AUBREY FRED

   Ordinary Seaman
   Royal Navy
   H.M.S. "Achilles."
Age:   18
died   04/11/1918
Service No:   J/56634
Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Thomas George.

Screen Wall. 7. C. of E. 20.
WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY

LAMBLEY L    Private
The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
51st Grad. Bn.
Died 17/11/1918
Service No:   85280
Son of Mrs. Ellen Lambley, of 6, Tower Buildings, New Brighton, Wallasey.

Screen Wall. 7. C. of E. 2.
WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY

LINFIELD HC
Ordinary Seaman
Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Achilles."
Age:   19
died   21/10/1918
Service No:   SS/7956(PO)
Son of Harry and Mary Linfield, of Chesswood Farm Cottage, Chesswood Rd., Worthing.

Screen Wall. 7. C. of E. 2.
WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY

PAYNE, CHARLES EDWARD
Ordinary Seaman
Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Avon."
Age:   19
Died11/08/1917
Service No:   J/29237(Dev.).
Son of Robert William and Clara Amelia Payne, of 13, Burlington St., Weston-Super-Mare.

Screen Wall. 7. C. of E. 1.
WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY

UPTON T
Trimmer in Mercantile Marine Reserve
H.M.S. "Eaglet."
Died   06/11/1918

Screen Wall. 7. C. of E. 2.
WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY

COURTNEY, WILLIAM ROBERT
Greaser
Mercantile Marine Reserve
H.M.S. "Armadale Castle."
Age:   36
Died   18/12/1916
Son of Frederick and Alice Courtney, of 14, Chandos St., Southampton; husband of Florence May Ridgett (formerly Courtney), of 11, Orchard Lane, Southampton.


FreeBMD Birth Index shows

William Robert Courtney
Jan-Feb-Mar 1880
Southampton

Volume:   2c
Page:   35

FreeBMD Marriage Index has

William Robert Courtney
Jul-Aug-Sep 1908
Southampton

Volume Number:   2c
Page Number:   76

William Robert married his wife Florence May Andrews in 1908. On 12 June 1916 Florence gave birth to twins. Six months later on 18 December 1916 William Robert was dead.
My late father: John Andrew Courtney always alleged that his father: William Robert was killed  (drowned) as a result of a single torpedo fired from a German u-boat sinking the ship he was serving upon. The HMS Armadale after being fitted out with guns saw little enemy action during the First World War. She was never sunk and in fact was brought back into normal service following the First World War.
I would like to know why these 7 war casualties have been singled out and their names appear on the same memorial plaque. What is the association one with the other? I have been in contact with both the Rake Lane Cemetery and the Friends of Rake Lane Cemetery, but to date have not been provided with an answer. I should imagine that any living relatives of the above war casualties would also like to be provided with the self same answer. If any one can provide me with a satisfactory explanation, it would be much appreciated.

Korki (Robert Courtney)

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Family History Beginners Board / William Robert Courtney
« on: Monday 04 July 11 10:35 BST (UK)  »
At the Wallasey, Rake Lane Cemetery, Wirral, Liverpool, 7 casualty names appear on a memorial plaque as follows:

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My questions concerns my grandfather: William robert Courtney.

William Robert Courtney served as a greaser on the HMS Armadale (castle line) during world War I. He married in 1908. His wife Florence May gave birth to twins on June 12 1916. Six months later on 18 December 1916 William Robert was dead. According to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission his death was the result of drowning. However, the ship he served on saw little enemy action and was never sunk. I had been informed by my late father: John Andrew Courtney, that his father: William Robert died when the ship he was on was sunk by a single torpedo fired  by a German u-boat.  If that is true, then the ship could not of been HMS Armadale.

Why however, do these 7 names appear on this memorial plaque? They are all unrelated casualties. So what is their connection?

If you have information, please contact.

Korki (Robert Courtney)

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