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« on: Sunday 14 April 19 08:41 BST (UK) »
Wow, thank you all for such helpful responses. You have all correctly found the right person. John was married twice, firstly to Jane and then when widowed he married Harriet.
The suggestion about children's names was helpful but I dont think the daughters listed on the census were his as their ages don't tie up with marriage date. Jane was a widow when she married John and I assumed her daughters took his surname. They were Jane and Mary.
Thank you for finding John on the 1861 census. I'm confused why he wasn't listed with Harriet as their sons Sidney J and Walter J had been born by then. John, Harriet and the boys appear together on the 1871 census. He was a servant and later a butler, might he have been a live in servant in 1861?
I dont know how I will know for definite John's birthdate and who his parents were. None of the fathers suggested appear as a coachman in the Scottish census. His father wasn't listed as deceased when he married Jane (1852) and Harriet (1854).
Best wishes
Kate