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Lancashire / Re: Looking for Jack Davis (b. 1943, Blackpool), s.o. Mabel Fish
« on: Sunday 04 May 14 12:32 BST (UK)  »
Heather, thanks for the reply. I'd noted those records, but without the certificates, there's no way to tell if either - or both - relate to the person I'm looking for. (I wonder if they'll ever make all certificate information available online instead of just the records?)

There's a record at 192.com for a Jack Davis aged 65+ in Blackpool FY4, but no again no way to tell if it's the right one. I'm hoping I'll get lucky and that someone with knowledge of that family, or local contacts, will see my posting and reply.


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Lancashire / Looking for Jack Davis (b., Blackpool), s.o. Mabel Fish
« on: Sunday 04 May 14 11:45 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to find Jack Davis, born in Blackpool in 1940,s to Herbert Hickman Stanley Davis and Mabel Fish. He would be my mother's second cousin. I'm hoping he might have known my late grandfather, Bertram Fish, who used to visit a mysterious cousin Betty Fish in Blackpool; I think she may have been the sister of Mabel Fish.

Any help much appreciated!

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: St Leonard Middleton, 1844 - marriage of John Bowler
« on: Friday 21 December 12 18:13 GMT (UK)  »
I found 3 census records for Jane:

1851 - in Tissington, Derbyshire, aged 44 with birth place given as Staffordshire. The head of the household is Joseph Rushton, who she married just half a year earlier on 29 October 1850. He is listed as just 30 years old! (I've looked closely, it's definitely not 50.) This means he was born in about 1821, which puts him close to the age of his first wife. This census record says he came from Hollington, Derbyshire; his marriage records both name his father as Joseph, and there is a baptism record for 1822 for Longford (very close to Hollington) which matches.

I have found no record of Joseph after this!

With them are: two of his children from an earlier marriage to Hannah Wigley (1822-1846), Emma Rushton (7) and Louisa Rushton (5); William, aged 3 months - so looks like the marriage was a necessity, assuming Joseph really was he father; and two of Jane's children from her previous marriage to John Bowler (1802-1847), Emma Bowler (6) and Harriet Bowler (4). [Emma Bowler was my 2x great grandmother.]

Interestingly, the same census page has a Bowler family - although the surname was common in the area, I wonder if they might have been related to Jane's late husband John?

1861 - at 21 Stone Street, Ancoats, Manchester, Lancashire, aged 54 with birth place given as Kingsley, Staffordshire. She is listed as the head - no sign of Joseph - and iriitatingly, the marital status has been left blank. She is working as a 'Carder in cotton mill', as is her stepdaughter Emma, now aged 17. William is listed as 10 (should be 11), who was already working as a piecer in the cotton mill [they were often called 'little piecers' because they started young]. There are two more children, Hannah (7) and Lucy (5) - so Joseph must have been around until at least 1855.

1871 - in Bentley Road, Fenny Bentley, Derbyshire, aged 64, again with birth place given as Kingsley, Staffordshire. She is again listed as the head, and the entry says she is married (not widowed). With her still are her children William, Hannah and Lucy. Nearby her daughter Emma Bowler is living at Bentley Head in Fenny Bentley, now married to my 2x great grandfather, Ralph Allcock.

Jane died in Q4 of 1871.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: St Leonard Middleton, 1844 - marriage of John Bowler
« on: Friday 21 December 12 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
It seems there was another child!

The birth index record has a Rosina Holloway born in Q1 1844 (Ashbourne, Derbyshire) - just before Jane married Tom Bowler. She was christened on 1 March 1844 (tissington, Derbyshire), where only the mother 'Jane Holloway' is listed (familysearch.org).

She was christened again the following year, this time as Rosanna (sic) Bowler, on 8 Jun 1845 (Ashworth, Lancashire) - that's the same day as new sister Emma - where parents are given as John Bowler and Jane (familysearch.org). I'm sure it must be the same person; there is certainly no index record of the birth of anyone with that name.

Finally, and perhaps significantly, she died in Q1 1849 (woodeaves, Tissington, Derbyshire), listed as 'Rosina Holloway Harvey' in the death index. The burial record for 27 March has 'Rosena Holloway Harvey' aged 5 (familysearch.org).

Like others, I too have found no connection between the names Holloway and Harvey in relation to Jane, nor any birth record with either surname for the Kingsley area of Staffordshire in about 1807.

I'm still hoping that one of the many experience researchers here will find something that I have overlooked, or a parish record of some sort.

Thanks to all of you who have contributed or followed this so far. :)

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: St Leonard Middleton, 1844 - marriage of John Bowler
« on: Thursday 20 December 12 19:58 GMT (UK)  »
Trish, thank you for your efforts. But I don't think this the same family, and not just because there is no mention of a Jane.

Today I found census records for Jane from 1861 and 1871 that indicate she was borning in Kingsley, Staffordshire in about 1807 - this is quite some distance away. However, I haven't found any records directly related to her birth, nor any clue about the occasional use of the name Harvey.

I'll try looking further, but I may soon have to get that marriage certificate!

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: St Leonard Middleton, 1844 - marriage of John Bowler
« on: Wednesday 19 December 12 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
Carole, as ever you have been very helpful.

I added that baptism record just yesterday, then deleted it as I'd overlooked the name 'Mary' at the beginning - in the end I found it hard to convince myself there was enough evidence - yet.

And you're right about the marriage record, in only 24 hours I'd forgotten that it gave her surname as Bowler but her father's as Holloway - at the time, it was something of a breakthrough.

One of the things I was hoping from a parish record would be John's father's name, to help me take that line back further. Of course, I could always spend a tenner on a marriage certificate if no parish record is available.

Thanks again for your kind help.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: St Leonard Middleton, 1844 - marriage of John Bowler
« on: Wednesday 19 December 12 22:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the replies.

Jane was born in about 1807 in Stafforshire. She remarried on on 29 Oct 1850 in Tissington, Derbyshire to Joseph Rushton, giving her surname as Holloway, and her father's name as Michael Holloway.

I wondered if this might be her third marriage; that she might have been married before John Bowler to someone with the surname Harvey.

I was hoping that if there were a parish record for her marriage to John, it would shed some light.

As you have already noted, different surnames were recorded for the births of Emma and Harriet. There is also a baptism record for the same day as Emma for another child, Rosanna Bowler (at Family Search). Interestingly, there is a batism the previous year of a Rosina Holloway, mother Jane (no father noted) on 1 Mar 1844 in Tissington, Derbyshire - which is where Jane remarried in 1850!

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / St Leonard Middleton, 1844 - marriage of John Bowler
« on: Wednesday 19 December 12 17:31 GMT (UK)  »
John Bowler, by 3x great grandfather, married Jane in 1844 at St Leonard in Middleton. I think he died in 1847, as there is an entry at lancashirebmd.org.uk which gives his age as 1845. Jane remarried in 1850.

Confusingly, Jane's maiden name is record in some places as Holloway, others as Harvey, and in the lancashirebmd.org.uk as a combination of both. In her subsequent marriage she gave her father's name as Michael Holloway.

I wonder if there is a parish record for this marriage which might shed light on this? Any help greatly appreciated.

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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Eliza CHAMBERLAIN at St Nicholas, Leicester
« on: Thursday 11 October 12 06:58 BST (UK)  »
Mike, you've found the right record despite my HUGE mistake - the son is call John, not William as I wrote.

These records you have seem invaluable for Leicester records, I'm surprised they haven't been snapped up by Ancestry.

Thank you once again for your help, I really appreciate it.  :)

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